Louis vs. Cronos ( a historical debate)

**Cronos Impera** · 11-24-2009, 16:03

So, ladies and gentlemen, regardless of your personal features lets probe into Louis' mind and comprehend his moral system a bit.I call it Pokemon Ethics.
Pokemon ethics rely on the use of Auras. Instead of members, for Pokemon ethics relies on macro entities to understand the world.

Whenever a group gets wronged in any way it recieves a charge of Martyr Aura. If present,Martyr Aura can be used to draw simpathy and love. When the perscribed group wrongs another, it isn't blamed, it just uses its Martyr Aura.

So, here are his ethics regarding the debate.

Ghica issues an edict which bans Jews from owning rural dwellings (slight charge for the Marty Aura). Jewish terrorists blow the Romanian Parliment;5 people get killed (drop in the Martyr Aura).Jews gain control over Bessarabia and start killing Romanians <<60000 killed, 300000 deported>> to "clear the ground" for Russian settlers (Martyr Aura lost). Progroms start in N.Romania<<300000 Jewish deaths in total in Transnistria and Bessarabia>> (Martyr Aura regained).Jewish retaliations at Saratov (15000 Romanian civillians get executed).Romania loses the war <<200000 Romanian civilians killed in Bessarabia, 180000 Romanian soldiers executed, 80000 Romanians die in death camps set by Anna Pauker, Moises Haupt and others>> (Martyr Aura depleated again).

But wait, Martyr Aura can recieve bonus charges via unification, the Holocaust has recharged the Martyr Aura for the Besarabian Jews.

That is your morality in words. As long as your favorite faction recieves a beating you simply close your eyes and allow injustice to occur for the other faction. This is no longer a debate between an apologist and a philo-semite, this is a debate between a normal person for who an injustice is injustice <<me>> and a exterminationist (someone for whom mass murder is only a function of mass) <<you>>.

The Askhenazi rebellion of 1940 was a great injustice done to the Romanian people (the Romanian serfs ware once again driven from their land.While the Jews ware emancipated and enjoyed higher education <<highschool and beyond>>, my grandmother couldn't attend third grade because she had no shoes. Shoes waren't available to all the pesants untill Ceausescu came to power). And this educated elite (just look at the number of important Jews from Bukovina) turns on this mass of slaves and uproots them like some worthless pile of boulders. And doesn't evacuate their vulnerable and innocents to safety? And then come back with a vengence for the innocents they didn't bother to bring with them? Is this normal to you?

Try the following.

Paul Goma (Red Week)
Nicolae Iorga (Why so much hate? and the letters recieved from "The Captain" confirming he was a philo-semite)
The Memoirs of Moshe Carmilly (Cluj Rabbi)

**Louis VI the Fat** · 11-24-2009, 20:11

Originally Posted by Cronos Impera

So, ladies and gentlemen, regardless of your personal features lets probe into Louis' mind and comprehend his moral system a bit.

I call it Pokemon Ethics.

**Cronos Impera** · 11-24-2009, 20:59

Finally a human touch to the dabate

That was the hardest blow I could recieve in this whole debate. A picture speaks more than a thousand words.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 11-24-2009, 21:30

Originally Posted by Cronos Impera

Finally a human touch to the debate

Don't cry. I do try to make a serious effort to understand what happened in Romania in 1940-1944, I try to understand what you think about it. I disagree, but I won't automatically consider you a depraved bloodthirsty count Dracula.
I have some problems with how Romania at large deals with the past, but I also understand Romania had a, shall we say, rough twentieth century. Life, history, is different when stuck between the Ottoman, Soviet and the, although in itself pretty liberal, Austrian/Hungarian empire. It has been easier to live in Canada than to live in Latvia, or Poland, or Romania. I am often trying to remind myself that the East Europeans do have a point when reminding the world of this.

France had a Vichy, it took to 1995 for the French government to accept that Vichy itself, France herself, bore responsibility for what happened. No smugness here. I shall presume you yourself never killed anyone, Jewish or otherwise, on a march to Stalingrad.

Are you familiar with Juergen Habermas? He's a German philosopher. In the eighties he explored how Germany could accept WWII, could accept that it was a German event, and still be proud being German, seek an identity in German history.

To lighten the topic: Whom did you vote for last Sunday? Are you happy with the result so far?

**Louis VI the Fat** · 11-24-2009, 23:29

A Da Da Da Cia

King Empereur Conducator Czara

Art is going to sleep for an old world to be born
the anti-philo

sophy of spontaneous yhposoliph

At this moment I hate the man who whispers
before the intermission-eau de cologne-
sour theatre. THE JOYCAMPOUS WIND

If each man says the opposite it is because he is
right

DECONSOLIDATE THE HARVEST OF EX-
ACT CALCULATIONS

pas de ballon

above the rules of the
and its control

BEAUTIFUL

It is not for the sawed-off imps
who still worship their navel

Allo. It's me again, Picasso. Ti-am dat *beep*

Sa-ti spun, ce simt acum

**Louis VI the Fat** · 11-24-2009, 23:35

Balloon for anyone who can guess what the above is.
Massive balloon for those who can name the relevance to the topic.
Marriage proposal for him/her who gets all of it.