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"Let he who never sinned throw the first stone."
The New Testament overrides the Old Testament (the older norm is replaced by the newer one).
So Jesus overrrides Leviticus (that's why Bible should be let with qualified theologians, not avarage believers).
(language warning)The New Testament overrides the Old Testament (the older norm is replaced by the newer one).
So Jesus overrrides Leviticus (that's why Bible should be let with qualified theologians, not avarage believers).
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"Let he who never sinned throw the first stone."
The New Testament overrides the Old Testament (the older norm is replaced by the newer one).
So Jesus overrrides Leviticus (that's why Bible should be let with qualified theologians, not avarage believers).
Genesis 17:19 "Let he who never sinned throw the first stone."
The New Testament overrides the Old Testament (the older norm is replaced by the newer one).
So Jesus overrrides Leviticus (that's why Bible should be let with qualified theologians, not avarage believers).
And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
Exodus 12:14, 17, 24
And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever. ... And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever. ... And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.
Leviticus 23:14,21,31
It shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations.
Deuteronomy 4:8-9
What nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day? ... teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons.
Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations.
Deuteronomy 11:1
Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.
Deuteronomy 11:26-28
Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day: And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God.
1 Chronicles 16:15
Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations ... an everlasting covenant.
Psalm 119:151-2
Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.
Psalm 119:160
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
Malachi 4:4
Remember ye the law of Moses.
Matthew 5:18-19
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.
Luke 16:17
It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
Originally Posted by Cronos Impera:
(that's why Bible should be let with qualified theologians, not avarage believers).
I know, right? They (theologian apologists) are so much better at stuffing crap up our rumps and down our throats... I also must comment on how curiously peculiar it is that the religious folk so vehemently deride "ivory-tower, liberal, smug, no-common-sense" intellectuals, namely doctorate holders as well as professors while ignoring that any theologian is essentially of the same breed. Well, sort of. Most (although certainly not all) religious degrees are a joke. Especially due to the immense amounts of unaccredited religious post-secondary isntitutions in US. (that's why Bible should be let with qualified theologians, not avarage believers).
Religion is simple enough - making it complex only distorts what it originally began as. And seriously, what happened with the law "extraordinary claims necessitate extraordinary warrants"?
And yes, thank you Azathoth
. Generally speaking, if I turned to any form of Middle Eastern belief, it would be Judaism I would convert to. The least amount of contradictions. Still a great deal though.Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus:
And yes, thank you Azathoth. Generally speaking, if I turned to any form of Middle Eastern belief, it would be Judaism I would convert to. The least amount of contradictions. Still a great deal though.
its cuz we're And yes, thank you Azathoth
. Generally speaking, if I turned to any form of Middle Eastern belief, it would be Judaism I would convert to. The least amount of contradictions. Still a great deal though.
if yuo were offended by the black part, ill take it off; its a joke me and my buddies have, whenever something happens (good or bad) it's "cuz we're black". of course none of us are actually african american.
Originally Posted by Azathoth:
Genesis 17:19
And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
Exodus 12:14, 17, 24
And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever. ... And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever. ... And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.
Leviticus 23:14,21,31
It shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations.
Deuteronomy 4:8-9
What nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day? ... teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons.
Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations.
Deuteronomy 11:1
Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.
Deuteronomy 11:26-28
Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day: And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God.
1 Chronicles 16:15
Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations ... an everlasting covenant.
Psalm 119:151-2
Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.
Psalm 119:160
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
Malachi 4:4
Remember ye the law of Moses.
Matthew 5:18-19
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.
Luke 16:17
It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
Quote in context or not at all, and never quote Mathew withour reference to the Sermon on the Mount.Genesis 17:19
And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
Exodus 12:14, 17, 24
And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever. ... And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever. ... And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.
Leviticus 23:14,21,31
It shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations.
Deuteronomy 4:8-9
What nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day? ... teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons.
Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations.
Deuteronomy 11:1
Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.
Deuteronomy 11:26-28
Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day: And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God.
1 Chronicles 16:15
Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations ... an everlasting covenant.
Psalm 119:151-2
Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.
Psalm 119:160
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
Malachi 4:4
Remember ye the law of Moses.
Matthew 5:18-19
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.
Luke 16:17
It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
Quote in context or not at all, and never quote Mathew withour reference to the Sermon on the Mount.
So how are we supposed to know what to ignore and what to not? Cherry-picking, anyone? Last time I checked, that was a logical fallacy, not a justification...Quote in context or not at all, and never quote Mathew withour reference to the Sermon on the Mount.
Easy. Story of Lazarus and the Rich Man.
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There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's Side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.' But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.' He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.' Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.' 'No, Father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.' He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'
There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's Side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.' But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.' He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.' Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.' 'No, Father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.' He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'
Original:d'`alakh sani l'khaverkha la ta`avid. Zo hi kol hatora kulahh, v'idakh peirusha hu: zil g'mor
"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah; the rest is commentary. Go and study it."Hillel the Elder, Babylonian Talmud, tractate Shabbat 31a
Both the Talmud and New Testament stem from the Old Testament or Torah. Putting aside the geopolitical enviroment in which they evolved, I belive that both have a simmilar tendancy and that is to append the Old Testament.
In the case of Christianity we have saints as a promoters of the new moral code, in the case of the Talmud we find a parallel evolutionist aproach to say at least.
So you start with the old Testament, continue with the New Testament and then read the life of saints. A Mosaic would start with the Torah, continue with the Talmud and end reading modern rabinical thesis. A Muslim starts with the Old Testament, continues with the Koran and ends reading modern prayers avoiding Bidah.
The cult of the elders is also important when speaking of the moral upbringing. You can get a preety decent moral code just from visiting your elders' grave.
The Old Testament is the root of all Abrahamic faiths. You can't avoid it because it has the Genesis, Flood.............
"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah; the rest is commentary. Go and study it."Hillel the Elder, Babylonian Talmud, tractate Shabbat 31a
Both the Talmud and New Testament stem from the Old Testament or Torah. Putting aside the geopolitical enviroment in which they evolved, I belive that both have a simmilar tendancy and that is to append the Old Testament.
In the case of Christianity we have saints as a promoters of the new moral code, in the case of the Talmud we find a parallel evolutionist aproach to say at least.
So you start with the old Testament, continue with the New Testament and then read the life of saints. A Mosaic would start with the Torah, continue with the Talmud and end reading modern rabinical thesis. A Muslim starts with the Old Testament, continues with the Koran and ends reading modern prayers avoiding Bidah.
The cult of the elders is also important when speaking of the moral upbringing. You can get a preety decent moral code just from visiting your elders' grave.
The Old Testament is the root of all Abrahamic faiths. You can't avoid it because it has the Genesis, Flood.............
You are talking to a guy who thinks the world is 5000 years old and you expect him to listen to reason.
It only works in the United States because they have no History. All you need to do is go to South America, Mexican, Europe, Africa, Asia anywhere else to clearly see it is obviously older. The pyramids for example are 5000 years old.
It only works in the United States because they have no History. All you need to do is go to South America, Mexican, Europe, Africa, Asia anywhere else to clearly see it is obviously older. The pyramids for example are 5000 years old.
Obviously some clever guy is just turning back our clocks at night making a year a lot shorter. I blame the Sandman for that.
I think the original poster was being trolled.
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