There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
Btw you totally need to post the link where this debate is happening.
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You tell me Mother Gaia is old. How impolite, you never ask a lady her true age. Mother Gaia is always 5000 years old. Look, she has the cosmetics bill to confirm that.
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The Genesis (first part of the bible) contains a timeline from Adam and forward, which put the flood 1429 years after the creation of earth. Going with the literal interpretation of course.
It goes down to Moses IIRC but gets more annoying to keep track on the exact years fairly soon after the flood.
Abraham is born 292 years after the flood. Stopped counting because it's get really hard to keep track, but Moses should be something like 200 years later.
There's multiple bible versions on the net nowadays.
Slam on historical sources (aka written sources) and if they counter with thier total age, point out that the tower of Babel is post flood and none seems to have noticed the flood (that wiped out 99.999% of the human population or something) in historical time...
Can be worth noticing that Noah's grandfather died the same year of the flood and that Noah doesn't seem to have cared one bit about the drowning of his brothers and sisters.![]()
We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?
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You are talking to a guy who thinks the world is 5000 years old and you expect him to listen to reason.
It only works in the United States because they have no History. All you need to do is go to South America, Mexican, Europe, Africa, Asia anywhere else to clearly see it is obviously older. The pyramids for example are 5000 years old.
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Gee, maybe he's a trooooolllllll?
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Seriously, making up a silly argument and repeating the same phrase is easy to do. You bit. This isn't an argument, this is just you biting hard and refusing to let go. For all you know, he's a professor of biology at Stanford with too much free time.
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More likely a psychology professor I reckon.
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There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
lol you can never win an arguement about faith. See many threads in the backroom for proof.
lol i read it backwards..... the guy arguing about islam is a TOTAL fundamentalist as is the christian (flob?).
stupid people, pi dont even bother.
there are surprisingly a good comments mixed in there
I think the original poster was being trolled.
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Genesis 17:19"Let he who never sinned throw the first stone."
The New Testament overrides the Old Testament (the older norm is replaced by the newer one).
So Jesus overrrides Leviticus (that's why Bible should be let with qualified theologians, not avarage believers).
And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
Exodus 12:14, 17, 24
And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever. ... And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever. ... And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.
Leviticus 23:14,21,31
It shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations.
Deuteronomy 4:8-9
What nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day? ... teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons.
Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations.
Deuteronomy 11:1
Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.
Deuteronomy 11:26-28
Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day: And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God.
1 Chronicles 16:15
Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations ... an everlasting covenant.
Psalm 119:151-2
Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.
Psalm 119:160
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
Malachi 4:4
Remember ye the law of Moses.
Matthew 5:18-19
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.
Luke 16:17
It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
I know, right? They (theologian apologists) are so much better at stuffing crap up our rumps and down our throats... I also must comment on how curiously peculiar it is that the religious folk so vehemently deride "ivory-tower, liberal, smug, no-common-sense" intellectuals, namely doctorate holders as well as professors while ignoring that any theologian is essentially of the same breed. Well, sort of. Most (although certainly not all) religious degrees are a joke. Especially due to the immense amounts of unaccredited religious post-secondary isntitutions in US.
Religion is simple enough - making it complex only distorts what it originally began as. And seriously, what happened with the law "extraordinary claims necessitate extraordinary warrants"?
And yes, thank you Azathoth. Generally speaking, if I turned to any form of Middle Eastern belief, it would be Judaism I would convert to. The least amount of contradictions. Still a great deal though.
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