average lifespan of the elite roman class?

[Parallel Pain]

Luden you have to remember that peasants, that's the low classes, were starving to death. As for quality, our food certainly isn't rotting or rotten, and we make sure they are properly cooked, stored, preserved (think about it, a Roman Emperor possibily died of food poisoning, what would food be for the average joe?). And we get all kinds of vegetables and fruits and meat all year round while they are restricted by when those vegetables actually ripen (and the average joe won't be getting much meat at all).

apple that life expectancy (you altered the quote , though I admit it was badly worded ) is the average of a society using demographic model West level 3 (the model that researchers say fits for the Romans) for females. So you have to add like 5 to 7 years for elites and then take away like 2 for average between sexes (females tend to live longer).

Here's the list of Roman Emperors that were not assassinated or killed in some way. Info's off wiki, with name, age at death, and cause of death when available. Remember this is not just a "rich Roman" but the EXTREME TOP of the society. So you have to decide for yourself how many years to take away for a general "rich Roman". On top of that, this is also sort of life expectancy of people who survived long enough to actually become emperor... (so I say take a few more years for a general class of society)

Augustus - Age 75
Tiberus - Age 77 (possibily assassinated)
Claudius - Age 63 (possibly assassinated)
Vespesian - Age 69 Intestinal inflammation which led to excessive diarrhea
Titus - Age 41 Illness
Nerva - Age 67 Stroke
Trajan - Age 63 Edema
Hadrian - Age 62 Heart Disease?
Antoninus Pius - Age 74
Lucius Verus - Age 39 Food poisoning/plague/smallpox
Marcus Aurelius - Age 58
Septimius Severus - Age 65 Illness
Gordian III - Age 19 (possibly unnatural causes)
Hostilian - Age 21~ Plague (possibily smallpox)
Valerian - Age 60 (died while in captivity)
Claudius Gothicus - Age 56 Plague (possibily smallpox)
Marcus Claudius Tacitus - Age 76 (possibly assassinated)
Carus - Age 56 death by lightning?
Diocletian - Age 66
Constantius Chlorus - Age 56
Galerius - Age 51 Disease
Constantine I - Age 65 Illness
Constantius II - Age 44 Illness
Jovian – Age 32 (Carbon monoxide poisoning)
Valentinian I - Age 54 Burst blood vessel in the skull while angrily yelling at people
Theodosius I - Age 48 due to Edema
Arcadius - Age 31
Honorius - Age 38 Edema
Theodosius II - Age 49 Riding accident
Constantius III - unknown (birthdate not known)
Marcian - Age 60 Disease (possibily gangrene)
Olybrius - Age 41 Edema
Romulus Augustus - unknown (birthdate not known)
Leo I - Age 73 Dysentery
Zeno - Age 66
Anastasius I - Age 88
Justin I - Age 77
Justinian I - Age 81 (got the plague but survived)
Justin II - Age 58

Total: 39 (unknown age 2, known 37)
Cause of Death
Disease excluding edema and “falling ill” after age 60: 9 or 10 (23~25.6%)
Edema: 4 (10.2%)
Not listed: 10 (25%)

Average life span out of 37 = 57.2 years
Standard Deviation = 16.3
Average life span excluding longest surviving 4 and shortest surviving 4 = 58.4 years

Having 1/4 to 1/3 of natural deaths resulting from some form of disease sounds about right for pre-modern times (did someone say they had great medicine and health care systems back then?).

[Ludens]

Luden you have to remember that peasants, that's the low classes, were starving to death. As for quality, our food certainly isn't rotting or rotten, and we make sure they are properly cooked, stored, preserved (think about it, a Roman Emperor possibily died of food poisoning, what would food be for the average joe?). And we get all kinds of vegetables and fruits and meat all year round while they are restricted by when those vegetables actually ripen (and the average joe won't be getting much meat at all).

I guess you misinterpreted my post: I didn't write their food was better in every way, only that the basic ingredients of their diet were healthier than what nobles ate, or what we eat. The actual quality of the ingredients was worse, although peasants wouldn't eat rotten food unless there was nothing else available, and weren't entirely ignorant on how to preserve and prepare it either.

Remember this is not just a "rich Roman" but the EXTREME TOP of the society. So you have to decide for yourself how many years to take away for a general "rich Roman".

Zero? The job of emperor entailed quite a bit more stress and risk than that of the average nobleman, and a noble would certainly not want for food or medical care. I guess it all depends on how much difference "good" versus "the best" food/medicine makes.

[Apázlinemjó]

Average life span out of 37 = 57.2 years
Standard Deviation = 16.3
Average life span excluding longest surviving 4 and shortest surviving 4 = 58.4 years

Wow, in Hungary the average life span for males is around 69-70, and those Romans lived more than a millenia and a half ago so it's not bad.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Luden you have to remember that peasants, that's the low classes, were starving to death. As for quality, our food certainly isn't rotting or rotten, and we make sure they are properly cooked, stored, preserved (think about it, a Roman Emperor possibily died of food poisoning, what would food be for the average joe?). And we get all kinds of vegetables and fruits and meat all year round while they are restricted by when those vegetables actually ripen (and the average joe won't be getting much meat at all).

apple that life expectancy (you altered the quote , though I admit it was badly worded ) is the average of a society using demographic model West level 3 (the model that researchers say fits for the Romans) for females. So you have to add like 5 to 7 years for elites and then take away like 2 for average between sexes (females tend to live longer).

Here's the list of Roman Emperors that were not assassinated or killed in some way. Info's off wiki, with name, age at death, and cause of death when available. Remember this is not just a "rich Roman" but the EXTREME TOP of the society. So you have to decide for yourself how many years to take away for a general "rich Roman". On top of that, this is also sort of life expectancy of people who survived long enough to actually become emperor... (so I say take a few more years for a general class of society)

Augustus - Age 75
Tiberus - Age 77 (possibily assassinated)
Claudius - Age 63 (possibly assassinated)
Vespesian - Age 69 Intestinal inflammation which led to excessive diarrhea
Titus - Age 41 Illness
Nerva - Age 67 Stroke
Trajan - Age 63 Edema
Hadrian - Age 62 Heart Disease?
Antoninus Pius - Age 74
Lucius Verus - Age 39 Food poisoning/plague/smallpox
Marcus Aurelius - Age 58
Septimius Severus - Age 65 Illness
Gordian III - Age 19 (possibly unnatural causes)
Hostilian - Age 21~ Plague (possibily smallpox)
Valerian - Age 60 (died while in captivity)
Claudius Gothicus - Age 56 Plague (possibily smallpox)
Marcus Claudius Tacitus - Age 76 (possibly assassinated)
Carus - Age 56 death by lightning?
Diocletian - Age 66
Constantius Chlorus - Age 56
Galerius - Age 51 Disease
Constantine I - Age 65 Illness
Constantius II - Age 44 Illness
Jovian – Age 32 (Carbon monoxide poisoning)
Valentinian I - Age 54 Burst blood vessel in the skull while angrily yelling at people
Theodosius I - Age 48 due to Edema
Arcadius - Age 31
Honorius - Age 38 Edema
Theodosius II - Age 49 Riding accident
Constantius III - unknown (birthdate not known)
Marcian - Age 60 Disease (possibily gangrene)
Olybrius - Age 41 Edema
Romulus Augustus - unknown (birthdate not known)
Leo I - Age 73 Dysentery
Zeno - Age 66
Anastasius I - Age 88
Justin I - Age 77
Justinian I - Age 81 (got the plague but survived)
Justin II - Age 58

Total: 39 (unknown age 2, known 37)
Cause of Death
Disease excluding edema and “falling ill” after age 60: 9 or 10 (23~25.6%)
Edema: 4 (10.2%)
Not listed: 10 (25%)

Average life span out of 37 = 57.2 years
Standard Deviation = 16.3
Average life span excluding longest surviving 4 and shortest surviving 4 = 58.4 years

Having 1/4 to 1/3 of natural deaths resulting from some form of disease sounds about right for pre-modern times (did someone say they had great medicine and health care systems back then?).

So overall a Roman nobleman could expect to live to about 60. If you want to consider "non Imperials" look at the Bishops of the later Empire, Augustine lived to 74 and died during a siege (possibly from bad sanitation).

Another point to consider, the term of service for Imperial Soldiers was around 25 years (depending on unit, even the Praetorians did 22), the diploma of citizenship issued to Auxillaries came after 26 years, and we know many were issued because they survive today.

So, assuming joining at 16: 16 + 26 = 42 and upwards on completion of term of service. Ergo, soldiers could expect to live that long and some years after, given that many did only marry after their service was completed. Don't forget, there are lots of things you can do to avoid disease that the Romans knew about (i.e. quarantine and hygene), and it's important to understand that the "average" includes the careless, stupid and unlucky.

[satalexton]

...and the careless, stupid and unlucky still live today....

[Parallel Pain]

So overall a Roman nobleman could expect to live to about 60. If you want to consider "non Imperials" look at the Bishops of the later Empire, Augustine lived to 74 and died during a siege (possibly from bad sanitation).

Another point to consider, the term of service for Imperial Soldiers was around 25 years (depending on unit, even the Praetorians did 22), the diploma of citizenship issued to Auxillaries came after 26 years, and we know many were issued because they survive today.

So, assuming joining at 16: 16 + 26 = 42 and upwards on completion of term of service. Ergo, soldiers could expect to live that long and some years after, given that many did only marry after their service was completed. Don't forget, there are lots of things you can do to avoid disease that the Romans knew about (i.e. quarantine and hygene), and it's important to understand that the "average" includes the careless, stupid and unlucky.

Eh no. Read what I wrote. They knew quarantine and hygiene sure, but ours are WAY better. ONE THIRD of Roman EMPERORS who died of natural causes died of diseases. What's the percentage of population of Europe that the black death killed? One third! What a great difference between imperial medical facility and quarantine control and what the average joe can get don't you think?.

I personally think the rest of noblemen (who already survived 30~40 years) would have been worse off by one or two, though Ludens has a point. And sure Augustine represent the average for all Roman nobles just like Augustus represent the average for all Roman emperors .

I see no reason to exclude counting shorter-lived emperors. They were not careless or stupid. And if they were unlucky the long-lived ones were just lucky. If you're going to do preferential sampling to push the number higher I could do preferential sampling and push the number lower

Soldiers still living at age 42 and then marrying is no surprise as the number already shown. Once again using West level 3, on average they would've has 19 years more to live. These are the bunch that were already lucky enough to already survive disease for 42 years, making them pretty set. However fatherless people, or complete orphans, were common.
On percentage of people who is still alive at the age of 15 (48 732 out of 100 000) reaching the age of 40 (31 208 out of 48 732) is 64%
What's the chance of a person enrolling at age 16 finishing his tour of duty? I say 75%. And disease would claim 90% of the deaths. At least they were saved from famine thanks to imperial logistics and pillaging.

You guys have to remember that throughout history one of the reasons that some people are remembered and not others is because these rulers were lucky enough to rule long and reign long, so had a long time to make their impact felt. That does not mean all were as lucky.

You also have to remember using age of both Saints and Emperors automatically exclude a lot of the people of the same class. An imperial prince who died at age 35 of typhoid while his dad was still in office is not counted. Meanwhile a monk who started to travel and spread the word at age 40 but died after 1 year of travel would not be made a saint because his impact was deemed not enough (or not at all). By making a list of emperors I'm already doing preferential sampling in favor of longevity, and the number still doesn't reach 60.

Also once again I'm not saying these people had bad lives or were short lived. They definitely done well (though looking at all other pre-modern civilizations the difference over time is well within 10 years). I'm saying for those people who think they lived as long as us or longer...
And Apázlinemjó, this is not the average life span, or even the average live span of people who survived to 15, but more like people who survived to age 30 to 35.