Why is Rome TW named Rome TW?

[WinsingtonIII]

Since I never liked playing Medieval 2, I don't see EB 2 becoming that good. Medieval 2 featured some quite annoying gameplay elements and stripped some cool ones that came with Rome.

In all seriousness, to say that EB2 will be worse than EB1 simply because it is on the M2TW platform is simply ridiculous. As far as I can tell, M2TW gives the team, on average, far more to work with in terms of gameplay elements then RTW does. One example off the top of my head is modifiable AI (which is better in vanilla M2TW then it was in vanilla RTW anyways).

I'm certainly NOT a M2TW fanboy, but it makes very little sense to act as if the EB team will not remove or change the annoying features of M2TW when they make EB2, just as they removed or changed the annoying features of RTW... They did it once, why would they not do it this time?

I didn't particularly like RTW before I found EB, but I love EB... Why would this situation be any different?

[Hakomar]

About Med2, how will you include the slow-death thing.
I personally hate it, I like to know when my men are dead immediately likein R:TW, not wait a 2-5 second death animations, then find a quarter of my unit is dead.
The deaths are constant, so when eventually it displays 50 men, you may think I am going to do so and so, but in reality 10 are through their death animation and you don't know.

[GaiusSchmulus]

@Cute Wolf

You and Knight didn't even figured out, that my response to your over-dramatized post was purely ironical. While Knight made a serious, and true response, all you did was feeling offended and started a drama-post with oversaturated usage of smileys. This knowledge combined with the fact that you seem to like playing with princesses, leads me to not further respond to your questionable posts.

Just to make it clear to you. I'm thinking about games like packages. Inside a package, everything has to match up together. While in Rome-TW, and consequently EB-TW everything matched up and was "feeling" right, Medieval 2 didn't "feeled" correct.
Lining up multiple arguments, about what is fun in Medieval 2, won't change that fact...

In all seriousness, to say that EB2 will be worse than EB1 simply because it is on the M2TW platform is simply ridiculous.

Really? If EB 2 is going to feel like Medieval 2, in all seriousness, I won't play it. It's hard to descripe why Rome TW will always be the better game. And since I don't want to make this thread a fight over which version of TW is better, I don't even start it.

But I agree with you. If they strip the game of all it's bad elements, then EB 2 could be even better. But it needs much more then just a "better" AI to convert me to Medieval 2 engine. Cause let's face the fact, a computer AI is always dumb. There are other arguments to what makes a game good, and what doesn't.

And you shouldn't take the fanboy to serious. There's a reason why I put it in quotes...

@Hakomar

True. The videos where another annyoing feature in Medieval 2. While you're able to turn them off, it's still annoying to do this every time, when one of my spions enters the city etc.

[WinsingtonIII]

Really? If EB 2 is going to feel like Medieval 2, in all seriousness, I won't play it. It's hard to descripe why Rome TW will always be the better game. And since I don't want to make this thread a fight over which version of TW is better, I don't even start it.

But I agree with you. If they strip the game of all it's bad elements, then EB 2 could be even better. But it needs much more then just a "better" AI to convert me to Medieval 2 engine. Cause let's face the fact, a computer AI is always dumb. There are other arguments to what makes a game good, and what doesn't.

And you shouldn't take the fanboy to serious. There's a reason why I put it in quotes...

I think you should try playing modded M2TW, it's really not bad when it's modded (as long as the mod is good). But what I was trying to say is that frankly I don't think playing EB1 feels all that much like playing RTW, since so many things have been changed, so I don't think playing EB2 will feel anything like playing M2TW, especially since the time period is completely different.

[GaiusSchmulus]

What happened to the funny post of the dobule account guy? Was fun reading it...

However.

I think you should try playing modded M2TW, it's really not bad when it's modded (as long as the mod is good). But what I was trying to say is that frankly I don't think playing EB1 feels all that much like playing RTW, since so many things have been changed, so I don't think playing EB2 will feel anything like playing M2TW, especially since the time period is completely different.

I have installed the AI mod for M2TW, yet I miss the promised positive effect, because the AI is still acting dumb in some cases. I don't understand which differences count for people to name a AI "intelligent", maybe i'm just playing to much online games with other people.

Well, playing EB 1, at least for me, feels much more like playing RTW then M2TW does. M2TW feels totally stuffed up with unnecessary elements. The micromanagement is way to much (almost like in HoI or Galciv 2, which have a very good micromanagmenet), and yet I didn't found any serious mod like EB. The mods in M2TW are all based on minor changes, maybe because people are satisfied with the product as it is.

I think I wait another 2 years for a serious mod and then going to play M2TW.

Hey, and for the Phillipine double account guy, I have 2 more funny sentences.

M2TW plays in Medieval age, it's dark and evil and su§%s a%&. Yeah and people in medieval age where all born losers, yes they where. The only winners in medieval age where thoose living the antique traditions, but the ordinary people, the mob...they where all losers. RTW is much more civilized, as where the people in the antique...

Gooosh...i'm such a loser...

[Cute Wolf]

@GaiusSchumulus
You need to know that if you want to say something bad about the M2TW mod, you should learn first to respect everyone that put their time and work to improve M2TW with that mod, even if they only "improve it soo few that it was unnoticeable", that way, at least you should give suggestions, not plain bad-mouthing to the M2TW engine as a whole. If you have some modding skills, you then should try to help them improve the M2TW, not just talk bad and get no action

[Ludens]

Yes, no badmouthing of other modifications here.

I suspect that, if you find those mods unsatisfying, EB2 is not going to be to your liking either. But do give it a try. The M2:TW engine is more flexible than that of R:TW, and although it does have it annoyances I believe most of those can be worked around. (I don't expect the A.I. to be brilliant, though. There's only so much you can mod about it.)

Anyway, I think this thread has served it purpose so I am going to close it. If you disagree, PM me.

Thread closed.

[A Very Super Market]

About Med2, how will you include the slow-death thing.
I personally hate it, I like to know when my men are dead immediately likein R:TW, not wait a 2-5 second death animations, then find a quarter of my unit is dead.
The deaths are constant, so when eventually it displays 50 men, you may think I am going to do so and so, but in reality 10 are through their death animation and you don't know.

Matter of animation length.

[Knight of Heaven]

True. The videos where another annyoing feature in Medieval 2. While you're able to turn them off, it's still annoying to do this every time, when one of my spions enters the city etc.

ok gaius. But know this you can turn off videos in the preferences so they cant always pop up. Anyway that was a feature i did like in Shogun total war. in medieval not so much, but was enough, i woulnt count that as a negative side of M2TW. I too play more RTW then M2tw. But i Understand the good things about M2tw, that will make Eb2 very good, if well made. Meaning if the "spirit" of EB prevail on Eb2, i wont have any problems with that.
One thing i dont like The AI in RTw, isnt the battle AI, is the campaing. for me it makes a hell of a diference, it is still dumb sometimes, but not as dumb in RTW. and is more easy to mod btw. I hate in Rtw the super factions that create, like the Egyptians, or the selucids, it is very anoying, every campaing i make i obligated to intervine early on egypt or syria, or else i know i wont face later on Pontus, or Arménia, or phartia etc. In M2TW is more ballanced anyway.

About Med2, how will you include the slow-death thing.
I personally hate it, I like to know when my men are dead immediately likein R:TW, not wait a 2-5 second death animations, then find a quarter of my unit is dead.

In rtw isnt immediatly also. I never pay attention to that, and i play alot. EB as that feature also, but never anoyme before.