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[Vuk]

Bag 'em all!

Nah, seriously, what is wrong with our system of higher education?! (or is it our lower tiers of education responsible?) Met the fourth native born American college student who literally could barely read English (He could not pronounce words as simple as 'continue')! He could not even read a newspaper article without struggling and he is on his second year of University education?! How does that happen? At least 40-50% of the people I have met at my University never (or hardly ever) do their homework, show up for their class 1-2 times a week max, and have the attention span of a fly. How do they get into college? The women only ever care about make-up, drinking, men, TV shows, etc. The guys only ever care about football, drinking, women, porn, etc. How do people like that make it into a University, never mind how they get through 4 years! They speak like they know everything in the world, and they are so ill-informed on even the most basic of issues that you would think that they are in 10th grade!

Sorry to rant like that, but in all seriousness, am I the only one who has noticed that half to 60% of the people going to college do not have the intellect, knowledge, or dedication to make it into high school? They don't study, they don't come to class, they just don't care...and still they graduate. What happened to HIGHER education? I don't know, maybe I am just attending a University full of losers... :P

EDIT: No offense to college students BTW, I certainly am not referring to all college students (heck, I am one myself), just the idiots who never bother and think they are geniuses.

[seireikhaan]

Most of the folks at my UNI are at least fairly intelligent, even if they do not always act, er, "wisely", shall we say. Certainly, they can read a newspaper.

I don't really bother with other people's study habits, what they do with their time and (parents?) cash is up to them. Certainly, its not up to the education system to dictate how they spend their time, only whether or not the measurable knowledge they display as a part of the graded coursework is satisfactory. Laziness and work ethic aren't something you "learn" in college- its something that needs to be instilled earlier, as a general rule. Certainly, one will work harder in college compared to high school, but the ethic needs to be there sooner.

[Vuk]

Most of the folks at my UNI are at least fairly intelligent, even if they do not always act, er, "wisely", shall we say. Certainly, they can read a newspaper.

I don't really bother with other people's study habits, what they do with their time and (parents?) cash is up to them. Certainly, its not up to the education system to dictate how they spend their time, only whether or not the measurable knowledge they display as a part of the graded coursework is satisfactory. Laziness and work ethic aren't something you "learn" in college- its something that needs to be instilled earlier, as a general rule. Certainly, one will work harder in college compared to high school, but the ethic needs to be there sooner.

How do they even get into college though? And I kid you not, I have met 4 guys now who could hardly even read. How do guys like that get into college? Doesn't our education system do anything to prepare them for college?

[HoreTore]

Doesn't our education system do anything to prepare them for college?

Just to throw this thread off topic for a second...

But isn't the point of any education to prepare people for work? Why would people need preparation for what should be a continuation of a process they started 10 years earlier?

[Papewaio]

I must admit the biggest idiots I ever met were at university whilst the wisest man I have ever meet was my woodwork teacher.

[Vuk]

I must admit the biggest idiots I ever met were at university whilst the wisest man I have ever meet was my woodwork teacher.

lol, the smartest three people I have ever met were a martial arts instructor, a truck driver, and a history professor/martial arts instructor. Interestingly only one of them had a degree. :P On average, the common working person I know is a lot wiser than the average college student. Not to say that there are not smart college students, there are, I have met them.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

lol, the smartest three people I have ever met were a martial arts instructor, a truck driver, and a history professor/martial arts instructor. Interestingly only one of them had a degree. :P On average, the common working person I know is a lot wiser than the average college student. Not to say that there are not smart college students, there are, I have met them.

That's because those people are out in the real world, getting experience. Until not too long ago I thought that the ivory tower was just a part of the more radical right-wing propaganda.

It isn't.

EDIT: And yes, I agree largely with Vuk. Most students mature/grow up/become rational after they've gone out into the workforce and been there for a few years.

[Meneldil]

EDIT: And yes, I agree largely with Vuk. Most students mature/grow up/become rational after they've gone out into the workforce and been there for a few years.

They become more boring as they realize their life's going to suck is what.

[The Stranger]

That's because those people are out in the real world, getting experience. Until not too long ago I thought that the ivory tower was just a part of the more radical right-wing propaganda.

It isn't.

EDIT: And yes, I agree largely with Vuk. Most students mature/grow up/become rational after they've gone out into the workforce and been there for a few years.

but what do you guys expect? its not like some miracle will happen and you turn mature and wise and smart the moment you turn 18. alot of these kids have been overprotected their entire life, they have no clue of what goes on in the world outside theirs, or how to properly take care of theirselves. maturing takes time and since yur a kid until youre 18 the maturing process will start there, not end.

there were times that children started maturing around 12 but those have long gone. in the west you just get turned loose at 18 and youre all of the sudden supposed to be wise and know how to take care of urself while no one ever taught you. and it goes wrong for a lot of people, i see it happen around here alot. but in the end most get to the right place, it just takes time

[The Stranger]

lol, the smartest three people I have ever met were a martial arts instructor, a truck driver, and a history professor/martial arts instructor. Interestingly only one of them had a degree. :P On average, the common working person I know is a lot wiser than the average college student. Not to say that there are not smart college students, there are, I have met them.

dont forget that it comes with life experience... the average college student is 20-22... the people you are talking about are probably atleast 10 years older if not more. dont expect wisdom from most students... or most people for that respect... sides you only call it wisdom because it appeals to you.

[The Stranger]

I must admit the biggest idiots I ever met were at university whilst the wisest man I have ever meet was my woodwork teacher.

can be true very well! to get trough school you only have to be good at cramming, you dont really need any tact or intellect. not to mention wisdom.

[Louis VI the Fat]

The women only ever care about make-up, drinking, men

Ooh, sounds like an awful place.

I couldn't cope.

[Vuk]

Ooh, sounds like an awful place.

I couldn't cope.

It is not a social event though Louis, it is an institution of higher education. It is supposed to be there (and parents pay lots of money) to educate people, not to make getting laid easier. Why would you waste your time and money going to college if you don't care about getting an education? It is an insult to higher ed.

[Papewaio]

Social education is more important... only a very slim percentage of people actually spread new memes... the rest have to figure out to spread their genes.

[Vuk]

Social education is more important... only a very slim percentage of people actually spread new memes... the rest have to figure out to spread their genes.

Don't get me wrong Pap, I am not saying that meeting people, socializing, etc is bad or anything, I am just saying that at a University it makes sense that education should be their priority. You know what, if it isn't, there are a lot of misfortunate, underpriviledged people who would love to have a chance at the opportunitty that they throw away. And think of how dishonest the education system is being to employers who think that these people graduating are not going to be clueless.

[Papewaio]

Communication is about the most important thing to an employer. Most degrees are not creating professionals, and the few that are tend to have post graduate components (CPA for accountants, specialisation for medicos).

A lot of people get into uni nowadays that is why the value of degrees has watered down... it is 2 parts supply and demand and 1 part decline in standards... in IT there are vapour certs, I'm sure there are institutions with a bad brand name that have a similar problem with their Bachelor degrees.

End of the day go out like an Aussie... Play Hard, Work Hard.

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One other thing, remember you are not competing against the lazy ones, not even the top 20% at your institution. When it comes to degrees and their value you are in an international pool of competition, and just like sport if you ain't training your opposition is.

I train other engineers and one of the things I told them is 'The moment you get comfortable with the technology learn something new or you will slide backwards.'

[TinCow]

Sorry to rant like that, but in all seriousness, am I the only one who has noticed that half to 60% of the people going to college do not have the intellect, knowledge, or dedication to make it into high school? They don't study, they don't come to class, they just don't care...and still they graduate. What happened to HIGHER education? I don't know, maybe I am just attending a University full of losers... :P

EDIT: No offense to college students BTW, I certainly am not referring to all college students (heck, I am one myself), just the idiots who never bother and think they are geniuses.

It varies depending on the college. However, beware of judging people exclusively by their partying habits. In college, I didn't sign up for classes that started before noon, never signed up for friday classes, and skipped about 1/3 to 1/2 the classes I did sign up for anyway. There were at least two classes that I never went to more than 4 times the entire year (and those 4 times were all exams). I lived in a fraternity house where there essentially always drinking and partying going on in at least one person's room at any particular moment. I stayed up to about 3-4am every night and smoked weed about 2-4 times per day every day for my last two years. I even sold pot my last year. I suspect I was one of the one's you believe are "losers." I graduated with honors, went to a good law school, and am now a federal attorney.

IMO, the most important thing about college is that it teaches you to be an adult. Most of the stuff you learn in class isn't relevant to life. College teaches you to be manage your life affairs while in a setting where you're still sufficiently insulated from society to allow you to make mistakes without screwing up the rest of your life. Sure, I learned a decent bit in college, but none of the actual information I got was as useful as the skills I learned for time management, budgeting, and just generally living as an adult without my parents around to pick up after me.

Almost all useful skills are gained by actually doing the job, not by education. Formal education mainly teaches you how to learn, it never really gives you the skills you need to do the job. If it did, companies would be far more eager to higher fresh graduates. As it is, no matter what the job is new grads come in at the bottom simply because they know jack squat. Every grad in every job requires a huge amount of training, despite whatever degrees they may have hanging on the wall.

[Ice]

It varies depending on the college. However, beware of judging people exclusively by their partying habits. In college, I didn't sign up for classes that started before noon, never signed up for friday classes, and skipped about 1/3 to 1/2 the classes I did sign up for anyway. There were at least two classes that I never went to more than 4 times the entire year (and those 4 times were all exams). I lived in a fraternity house where there essentially always drinking and partying going on in at least one person's room at any particular moment. I stayed up to about 3-4am every night and smoked weed about 2-4 times per day every day for my last two years. I even sold pot my last year. I suspect I was one of the one's you believe are "losers." I graduated with honors, went to a good law school, and am now a federal attorney.

I wouldn't pegged you as the sort; You are now my hero. I'm almost the same way, I have some awful habits (I do about 80% of the things in your posts) and still have aspirations to become a CPA and hopefully attend law school. Don't get my wrong, I get all my work done (fairly well I might add), but I like to play just as hard.

[pevergreen]

I wouldn't pegged you as the sort; You are now my hero. I'm almost the same way, I have some awful habits (I do about 80% of the things in your posts) and still have aspirations to become a CPA and hopefully attend law school. Don't get my wrong, I get all my work done (fairly well I might add), but I like to play just as hard.

pever opens his reputation book

"Ice & TC: -1"

[Ice]

pever opens his reputation book

"Ice & TC: -1"

I wouldn't care if you weren't joking.

:)

[CrossLOPER]

The women only ever care about make-up, drinking, men...

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

Study at my college and enjoy the 3:1 gender ratio. After you come to terms with that, you can come to terms the fact that most of the pretty, smart girls are taken. You have to be AWESOME to get anywhere. Not that that's difficult for me...

As for your post, I'd say that college is the new high school.