Nusantara : Total War

[Rahwana]

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Ok, so CW want me to speak in this matter...

Actually, this symbol is quite Ambigous... it was certain that Prabu Siliwangi was called "Macan", but it was rather a special case because his Heroism, and Ganesha statues are far more common in Pajajaran sites. Doesn't expect the faction will take a symbol which they only use in just 20 years, replacing what they use for 400 years.

Memang benar kalau masih belum jelas bahwa lambang ganesha belum tentu lambang pajajaran... tapi itu simbol yang paling sering terlihat... kalau lambang kujang atau macan... hanya ada pada beberapa situs tertentu, yang berhubungan dengan prabu siliwangi...

[Quirinus]

Yah, their name in Malay (soory my bad english....)

Okay I will get to that... though as you guessed, I am Chinese, and English educated, so my Bahasa Melayu is full of holes. Give me two days?

Also, question to Sonic:

Preliminary research suggests that modern Malay names are derived from Arabic, Javanese and Sanskrit in addition to Malay... do you mean me to compile the Malay-derived names only, or the others as well? The article also says that most modern Malay names are Arabic-derived, I don't know if that was the case in the timeframe of the game?

[Cute Wolf]

Heheh... That's ok, as I was Chinese descendants too... ...

AFAIK, most of the Malayan names after the spread of Islam are Arabic derived first name, with still Indo-language family name...... But they will use several words then...

We'll try to adjust the family name and front name... just like in EB, where two word front and family name can be found.... Just like "Abdullah Abdul Razak" will be "Abdullah" First name, and "Abdul_Razak" family name, and "Alaudin Riayat Syah" will be named "Alaudin_Riayat Syah", and "Seri Prameswara Dewa Syah" will be named "Seri_Prameswara_Dewa Syah"... so the Engine could generate some cross genrated name as "Alaudin Riayat Abdul Razak"...... well... did u understand?

[plutoboyz]

friend, I know this is crazy idea but how about putting ganesha, tiger and kujang together?



sorry, can't resist

[Cute Wolf]

Hahaha... don't forget this is a historical based mod, so we try to stick to what history say

Oh yeah, nice pic! .... I want to show it at my almamater.... (Gw dan sonic kuliah di ITB!!!) and hat they'll say....

[plutoboyz]

since we dont have information about Pajajaran logo, why we not use Galuh logo? they are once one kingdom, right? and during Sri Baduga Maharaja, this two kingdom is reuited.

[Cute Wolf]

since we dont have information about Pajajaran logo, why we not use Galuh logo? they are once one kingdom, right? and during Sri Baduga Maharaja, this two kingdom is reuited.

According to our historians, the Ganesha were their military symbol.... the only statue that Sunan Gunung Jati destroyed when he raze Keraton Pajajaran was Ganesha one... so it was their symbol of Military might...

[Rahwana]

They were reunited, it was right, but we must remember that Pajajaran is the dominant one. And if you ask about the authenticity of the Ganesh as their Military "Icon", we could say sure for 80% because they are always found near their guard posts. While the Galuh logo was far from military uses (Remember after all... this is Total War, and that logo would be fly at unit banner, as well as drawn on the Banner-Carrier officers.....)

Actually, the tiger symbol won't be used, but maybe we could use them for some mercenary skins afterall...

[plutoboyz]

According to our historians, the Ganesha were their military symbol.... the only statue that Sunan Gunung Jati destroyed when he raze Keraton Pajajaran was Ganesha one... so it was their symbol of Military might...

then be it! Ganesha.

but I've see many variation of ganesha symbol, which one?

[Cute Wolf]

then be it! Ganesha.

but I've see many variation of ganesha symbol, which one?

So that's why we took the easy way to gain a Ganesha Vector image
Copying our university logo.....

Seriously.... that Ganesha was based on arca found at the Sabuga...

[plutoboyz]

another question.

what kind of ship we use? pinisi, Jung Jawa, Jung Borobudur or jukung?

[Cute Wolf]

We'll think about it later... as we could use Roman ships for placeholder.... Ships is just eye candy then.... and when it was inluded, maybe it will look much like EB System of ships (extremely exspensive, because 1 ship means one full armada)

[Rahwana]

We'll think about it later... as we could use Roman ships for placeholder.... Ships is just eye candy then.... and when it was inluded, maybe it will look much like EB System of ships (extremely exspensive, because 1 ship means one full armada)

I think we won't use that system... paying exspensive upkeep for one armada just to shipping some small troops? meh.... I will made some variants of indonesian ships, with cheaper upkeep... so expect ship spamming and port blocade often...

[plutoboyz]

guys, I don't know if you still need this or not. its worth to read. maybe we can use it for aceh commander trait.
http://www.wacananusantara.org/4/60/...ceh-darussalam

[Cute Wolf]

Sonic allready have it...

BTW, what we lack is the information about Pajajaran military units, even the text didn't mention what weapons that their militias and regulars carry.... you should help to search that (aceh, Malaka, and Jawa are allready full blown with unit lists... but Central Sumateran and Pajajaran are few)

[plutoboyz]

Sonic allready have it...

BTW, what we lack is the information about Pajajaran military units, even the text didn't mention what weapons that their militias and regulars carry.... you should help to search that (aceh, Malaka, and Jawa are allready full blown with unit lists... but Central Sumateran and Pajajaran are few)

from my research of pajajaran unit:

-Pasukan Gajah Siliwangi (Some called it "Pasukan Gajah Putih Siliwangi")

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Menurut sumber Portugis, di seluruh kerajaan, Pajajaran memiliki kira-kira 100.000 prajurit. Raja sendiri memiliki pasukan gajah sebanyak 40 ekor. Di laut, Pajajaran hanya memiliki enam buah Kapal Jung 150 ton dan beberaa lankaras (?) untuk kepentingan perdagangan antar-pulaunya (saat itu perdagangan kuda jenis Pariaman mencapai 4000 ekor/tahun).

-Pasukan Kuda Windu
special cavalry unit. riding Kuda windu, an unique horse. smaller than ordinary horse but faster

-Pasukan Belamati Pajajaran

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Namun, pengetahuan masa lalu, siapa yang tahu secara persis. Taktik tempur Pajajaran yang kabarnya dimiliki oleh seribu anggota Pasukan Belamati Pajajaran, secara turun-temurun (terakhir dipunyai Dipati Ukur dan H. Prawatasari), tidak dicatat di kitab kuno yang kemudian jadi rebutan para pendekar seperti laiknya cerita-cerita silat karya Kho Ping Hoo.

-Baladia Onom Galuh
mystical betrayer army (similar to dead man of dunharrow on LOTR).
maybe we can make this as AOR UNIT.


for picture, I haven't found any picture. but we may use Nusantara online character .

[plutoboyz]

Pajajaran war equipment:
-Golok
-Tumbak
-Panah
-Kujang kuntul (used only by patih)
-Keris

[plutoboyz]

sorry for triple post, I can't edit my post.

I heard Museum Bumi Alit at Ciamis have good collection of Pajajaran artifact.

[Rahwana]

Yeah, it seems that you've got several pajajaran literatures... so maybe you should reccomend, what kind of weapons did their levies usually use...

[plutoboyz]

Yeah, it seems that you've got several pajajaran literatures... so maybe you should reccomend, what kind of weapons did their levies usually use...

Yeah I'm still looking for that. I just knew several weapon used in combat, but I haven't found for equipment of every unit.

[plutoboyz]

Yeah, it seems that you've got several pajajaran literatures... so maybe you should reccomend, what kind of weapons did their levies usually use...

I found this, few description from Museum Bumi Alit Artifact:

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1. Pedang, cinderamata dari Baginda Ali RA, sebagai senjata yang digunakan untuk pembela diri dalam rangka menyebarluaskan agama Islam.

2. Cis, sebagai kelengkapan dalam berdakwah atau berkhutbah dalam rangka menyebarluaskan ajaran agama Islam.

3. Keris Komando, senjata yang digunakan oleh Raja Panjalu sebagai penanda kedudukan bahwa ia seorang Raja Panjalu.

4. Keris, sebagai pegangan para Bupati Panjalu.

5. Pancaworo, digunakan sebagai senjata perang pada zaman dahulu.

6. Bangreng, digunakan sebagai senjata perang pada zaman dahulu.

7. Gong kecil, digunakan sebagai alat untuk mengumpulkan rakyat pada zaman dahulu.

8. Kujang, senjata perang khas Sunda peninggalan seorang petapa sakti bernama Pendita Gunawisesa Wiku Trenggana (Aki Garahang) yang diturunkan kepada para Raja Panjalu.

ADD Pajajaran Troops:

Pajajaran Music corps, Supporting army morale

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Dikenal oleh masyarakat sunda sejak masih memeluk agama Hindu dan pada masa kerajaan padjadjaran saat itu angklung di gunakan sebagai tanda waktu sembahyang dan pada masa jaman kerajaan Padjadjaran, kemudian di gunakan oleh kerajaan Padjadjaran sebagai instrument musik pada korps musik saat perang Bubat.

Fungsi angklung sebagai pemompa semangat rakyat masih terus terasa sampai pada masa penjajahan, itu sebabnya pemerintah hindia belanda sempat melarang masyarakat menggunakan angklung, pelarangan itu sempat membuat popularitas angklung menurun dan hanya di mainkan oleh anak- anak pada waktu itu.(kompas,tanggal 9 november 2007, halaman 14 kolom 7)Daimond 12:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[anz]

Wah kereen nih bro....

sayang gw gak ngerti ..ikut memantau bro...

[anz]

bro Bugis kingdom of Bone why not made separately with Gowa makasar bro??

sorry, my bad english..hhh

[wlesmana]

Modeler needs more pictoral references!

[plutoboyz]

Guys, do you know what is this weapon (the lowest)

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I'm little suspicious about it shape. it looks like kujang. and from the web where I found this image says

This product is some of souvenir from Sunda ( west Java)...

if this is true, maybe we can use this for Pajajaran army weaponry.

[Cute Wolf]

Modeler needs more pictoral references!

Wait for a bit Wlesmana

I still fed up with the final project (lagi TA gt loh...)

[Rahwana]

Wait for a bit Wlesmana

I still fed up with the final project (lagi TA gt loh...)

Bukannya TA lu tinggal cek SEM, terus impregnasi ion kedalam katalisnya? Cepet kerjain

Semoga sukses

[Cute Wolf]

Bukannya TA lu tinggal cek SEM, terus impregnasi ion kedalam katalisnya? Cepet kerjain

Semoga sukses

Jiah.... jangan ngomongin TA Gw disini

Ntar... gw kalau udah beres ngurusin karakterisasinya gw gambar unit unitnya dah....

[Rahwana]

Jiah.... jangan ngomongin TA Gw disini

Ntar... gw kalau udah beres ngurusin karakterisasinya gw gambar unit unitnya dah....

And stop whinning... start drawing!

[plutoboyz]

another Pajajaran Unit.
Ka Satrya Puragabaya, elit force of Pajajaran

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...yakni Puragabaya. Mereka adalah para ksatria pilihan yang terdiri dari para putra bangsawan Pajajaran yang disiapkan menjadi pengawal pribadi para pejabat kerajaan....

Gambar Puragabaya by me

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