Nusantara : Total War

[G. Septimus]

Heck... the lastest source we read (babad Sriwijaya).... suggest that the Javanese Spearmen..... use OVERHAND SPEAR!!!


Now we must start to look for other's animation to be used in our mod... I allready confirm that with a real historian (he was history lecturer in UPI, we've meet when I ruining reading the UPI library about history...), he says that the evidence of Javanese line spearmen use overhand spear fighting could be seen in the Prajurit Jogo Karyo, from Palembang, Cirebon, and Yogyakarta, that still could be seen (in ceremony) even today... as they use overhand naturally because they tend to fight in really dense formation (Heck! that was too similar with Hoplite warfare!!!)



Maybe we can use javelinmen animation for melee what did you think?

EDIT : After reading much about the royal bloodline of mainline Indonesian monarch and Kingdoms
-> Sriwijaya -> Kediri -> Singosari -> Majapahit -> Demak -> Pajang -> Mataram -> Yogyakarta
we've known that the first Sriwijaya King (Dapunta Hyang Sri Jayanasa), was land on Sumatran shore with a refugee force of 20000 men strong. He was the eldest of surviving Princes of Sakawana Dynasty (Saka dynasty in India), that sucesfully evade the Ghupta's attempt to wipe them out of existance. He led his army that made of surviving nobility to evade Saka genocide that happened in India, and for more interesting things to point out, the Saka Dynasty adopt Hinduism... BUT DID NOT ADOPT THE CONCEPT OF CASTE!!! - Just like what happened in Indonesian Hindus today!!!

His core troops was made with Heavily armoured nobles, wearing helmet that shaped like (kacang mete) - that explains WHY TRADITIONAL JAVANESE HELMETS HAVE TEH SHAPE JUST LIKE PHRYGIAN CAPS!!!

And armed with bows and lances... his levies including some mounted archer scouts (WUT mounted archers?) and bow and sword armed levies.... (so we're saka descendants afterall....)

Well, those Hoplite like fighting style must be carried off from Baktria.....
I didn't think we'll discover this kind of surprising facts.....

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For more interesting Information... Why the most Javanese Nobles have *cough* much lighter skin than most commoners?
That was happened because they aren't the native Javanese at all (at least they wasn't native 1400 years ago *cough*), they are Saka, and they tend to give their Saka blood to their fellow Saka... (that's why the rich Javanese family in not so long time ago forbids their daughters to marry lesser classes... no caste.. yes, but "pseudo interracial" marriage are rare (I call this pseudo because all were belongs to one Javanese race now). And while the nobility usually kept their archery skills, they gradually lost taste on daily horse riding (who want to rode a horse in muddy fields?), but still employs much light horse archers as scouts, as well as keeping some elite armoured HA for the nobility. The muddy plains on Indonesian archipelago (and java as the best case), did give some advantage to hit and run archery, but Quite disadvantage towards charging cavalry, that's why the Cataphract type of fighting are quickly phased out, in a favour of Bows and Swords combo. In the other hands, heavy infantry fighting in towns, seems to largely untouched until the advent of gunpowders (they still wearing plate/mail/scale armour, and fought as Saka Hoplites). that was why, Javanese heavy spearmen are depicted fought in very dense formation, while their lesser militia brethren fought much different way, with underhand spears...... Damn.... white Javanese are more Saka......

Too bad... Sonic is Black Javanese....

If you wanna know, I'm also Black.
If you try to see, most of the JAvans are Black, except those who are from Dutch Descedants (like my Grandmother)

[Cute Wolf]

If you wanna know, I'm also Black.
If you try to see, most of the JAvans are Black, except those who are from Dutch Descedants (like my Grandmother)

No, kraton descendants are distinctly yellow (not white!!!) you can observe that...
I know, dutch blood also give lighter skin, but try to browse the pics of javanese nobility too...

[Rahwana]

Well, before seeing the evidence first hand (also talk much with mr Sarwono the historian), It's hard to believe that Javanese Noble Heavy infantry fought as armoured hoplites.

EDIT: So, what we should do with them? Change the elite hoplite's headgear? or Made entirely new model?

Oh yeah... GSS, if you want to look for evidence... Look at mr Soeharto's portait. His face was typical Javanese noblemen. Light Yellow-Whitish skin, a bit little eyes (but still larger than Chinese), well built strature (as opposed to thin strature of average javanese)


and his family

Yeah, he was the best example of how Javanese nobility look like...

The Sultans of Yogyakarta, Sri Sultan Hamengkubuwono IX


And Hamengkubuwono X


Certainly they are don't like the Javanese commoners... compare that with my face on facebook, or your face