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    Default Re: Train bombed in Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post

    @Centurion: Neo-nazi's, fascists and extreme nationalists are on the rise throughout eastern europe.
    Hey, hey stop right there, I am from Eastern Europe and it is far from it. If anything the extreme right only rose in some countries or perhaps just became more noisy and easier to spot.


    Heck, in Hungary they even have their own little uniform and are allowed and encouraged to patrol the streets(meaning: beat up random romani). A side effect of the USSR crushing national identity, I guess... They weren't allowed to be bigots before, so now they're making up for lost time...
    Hungary is... a special case (Trianon Treaty still leaves some scars). Rise of the Jobbik is worrying, but exceptional when it comes to the whole region.


    It would've been funny if it wasn't so shameful; here in western europe, all eastern euros are considered criminals, thiefs and crooks. In eastern europe, they pick one step down the ladder, which is immigrants coming further east(like the caucasus) and their own minorities, like the Romani, or even groups originally from a neighboring country but due to wars and shifting borders find themselves living in another country. Like Serbs harassing Albanians, for example...
    What an enlightened lecture it is... Wonderful.

    I could explain all the little details to contradict this statement, but I would just say - it can be used to deal only with some countries, because only in some countries any or some of those reasons apply.

    The far right is NOT on the rise, except in some countries - certainly in Hungary, but not in Poland (it pretty much doesn't exist as meaningful political force i.e. it wouldn't score above 2 % of votes in put together), it is weaker in Romania than earlier etc.

    It is definetelly dangerous in Russia, disturbingly vocal in Ukraine and unusually strong in Hungary, but your description doesn't fit.


    Of course there is strong prejudice against the Roma in Hungary, Romania, Slovakia and Czech Republic, of course there are anti-semites here and there, of course there are problems with immigrants wherever they appear (there were some problems with Chechens in Poland, but nothing serious), of course Turks are blamed in Bulgaria and Albanians in Serbia, but the only sizable problem inside the EU is in Hungary and with the treatment of the Roman in the four mentioned states.

    Jobbik might be borderline anti-semitic, but Hungary is far, far behind France and other countries in Western Europe despite large Jewish community.

    When it comes to this Russian Federation is on another planet - sadly I might add.

    I would be more worried about certain western european states voting for extremists and blaming much of their worries on immigrants.
    Last edited by cegorach; 12-02-2009 at 08:34.

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