That Creeping Darkness [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

1. Because I am allowed to lie,

ATPG, why are you lying about me?

With YLC's permission:

You decide to investigate Jesse Zhang, who goes by the nick name Khaan. He ride down to his memorabilia shop, and proceed to break open into his shop. He head to his office and rifle through his papers, and learn he is a tad obsessed with his own death and the afterlife, but otherwise he doesn't seem to be that different from any other shop owner.

You manage to sneak about during the night, following the lovely young lady as she goes about her business at a workforce center, and then goes to do volunteer work. You learn from the people that work with her that she is a wonderfully pleasant woman who is ready to help in anyway she can, the poor thing stuck in those old appartments trying to scrap a living by with her husband, and a child on the...oh my, where was I? Oh yes, her name was Yvonne Lucia Clark, mother-to-be and currently working as a volunteer while looking for a steady job.

[Beskar]

@Lord Ask-the-Pizza-God

How many different factions are there?

Could you name these factions?

Any updates on the guy in the white suit with a face of a thousand horrors?

When I die, can I be the elected Speaker?

Do you know any of the identities of those who attacked me? Can you name their ORG Forum Username for the ones you do?

Is DiamondEye converted and thus a liable lynch choice?

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG, why are you lying about me?

With YLC's permission:

As to the veracity of the accusation of you being Gasmask, I am just a messenger, and I freely admit I cannot personally guarantee it. Why I lied earlier is because I wished to convey the accusation itself and I saw a loophole where I could accuse you even if the wrong question was asked. Ask the correct questions, and it doesn't become necessary for me to lie.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

As to the veracity of the accusation of you being Gasmask, I am just a messenger, and I freely admit I cannot personally guarantee it. Why I lied earlier is because I wished to convey the accusation itself and I saw a loophole where I could accuse you even if the wrong question was asked. Ask the correct questions, and it doesn't become necessary for me to lie.

AtPG, what role is the source of this accusation? How do the claim to have come by this information?


It's pretty clear that investigations can be unreliable. ATPG, is the org persona behind the accusation someone with experience in YLC's games such that they might realize that their investigations were not guaranteed accurate?

If you think that last would be too revealing, don't answer it.

ATPG, can the ghosts roleblock? Although this didn't work out well for me in netherworld.

[atheotes]

@Lord Ask-the-Pizza-God

Were you converted into a cultist?

@ATPG - thanks for the answers.
Can you tell us about the switching ability of Andres? Does he know who is being switched with whom?

[Beskar]

Were you converted into a cultist?

No, I just get free delivery with my next order.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Lord Ask-the-Pizza-God

How many different factions are there? Could you name these factions?

There are probably more than meets the eye. I cannot give you a precise number because it is unknown. There is the town, Andres' mafia, at least 3 cults, pro-town psychics, a claimed neutral psychic, and Azathoth is also a known entity. Should there be more, I do not know of them.

Any updates on the guy in the white suit with a face of a thousand horrors?

There were some rumors that you were such a person, actually, based on your close relationship with Andres and your desire to know who the gods and psychics are. Even if not, which is more likely and I am inclined to believe, gaining such knowledge would make you a risk, because if you were converted, the game would be effectively over. You were curious as to why we don't automatically trust you and this is why...

When I die, can I be the elected Speaker?

If you are not a cult leader or a mafioso, to my knowledge yes it is possible.

Do you know any of the identities of those who attacked me? Can you name their ORG Forum Username for the ones you do?

The ghost council believes that you were attacked by a remnant of Cultured Drizzt Fan's cult, an agent still alive and without their master. Their true identity is presently unknown.

Is DiamondEye converted and thus a liable lynch choice?

That is unknown to the council. We've only just begun our efforts, and we don't have much to report besides a certain suspicious person or two. Ask everything again tomorrow.

Goody, more questions. BRB with more answers.

[Askthepizzaguy]

AtPG, what role is the source of this accusation? How do the claim to have come by this information?

The source and methods will be revealed if the accusation is proven false, and not before.

It's pretty clear that investigations can be unreliable. ATPG, is the org persona behind the accusation someone with experience in YLC's games such that they might realize that their investigations were not guaranteed accurate?

It's possible, I'll warrant. I double and tripe-checked with this person because I am not comfortable making such a specific accusation if there's a chance it is wrong. It destroys both my credibility and the source's credibility, and that would greatly hinder the ghost council's efforts.

ATPG, can the ghosts roleblock? Although this didn't work out well for me in netherworld.

Yes, they can roleblock.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Were you converted into a cultist?

@ATPG - thanks for the answers.
Can you tell us about the switching ability of Andres? Does he know who is being switched with whom?

Again I don't have personal knowledge of this. However, I would guess that in order for such an ability to be both useful to a mafioso and effective, he would have to have the ability to direct it. So in my opinion he does.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The source and methods will be revealed if the accusation is proven false, and not before.


It's possible, I'll warrant. I double and tripe-checked with this person because I am not comfortable making such a specific accusation if there's a chance it is wrong. It destroys both my credibility and the source's credibility, and that would greatly hinder the ghost council's efforts.



Yes, they can roleblock.

Very well. I make the following suggestion: roleblock me tonight. Unfortunately it is possible that Andres will decide that removing an investigator and the ghost action and framing me is worth having his henchman abstain from killing. But it will give us another night, perhaps your man can check me again?

ATPG, is this plan amenable to you?

[Beskar]

gaining such knowledge would make you a risk, because if you were converted, the game would be effectively over. You were curious as to why we don't automatically trust you and this is why...

An acceptable response. But there needs to be a risk some where for us to truely win, and I doubt Psychic Zero should make such a risk.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Very well. I make the following suggestion: roleblock me tonight. Unfortunately it is possible that Andres will decide that removing an investigator and the ghost action and framing me is worth having his henchman abstain from killing. But it will give us another night, perhaps your man can check me again?

ATPG, is this plan amenable to you?

I'll pass it along, not that I have to, because the other ghosts are reading this.

In my opinion, the main problems with that plan being that it:

A) uses a roleblocking action on someone who, if innocent, will die anyway, as a claimed investigator would.
B) uses an action on someone we already used an action on to determine that they might be a suspect, when we could just lynch you, and if we didn't lynch you and you were innocent, you'd still die at night via murder...
C) We could protect you at night, and use a roleblock on you, thus tying up two vital resources, when if what you're saying is true, Andres could just switch you again. So you know such a plan is likely to fail and waste resources.

If you are innocent, I sympathize with your situation, but if we are to believe your investigation results, which weren't all that helpful (and, to be frank, surprisingly low in number) you'd need to be checked out yet again, or dead. It is far more economical to have you dead IMO. It isn't at all likely that we could keep you alive long enough to both determine the veracity of what you're saying, and allow you to continue your investigative efforts, if any. I also think it is necessary to see if my source is trustworthy/competent.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I won't die at night due to murder

I didn't post all the investigation results because the others might have compromised important roles (such as ada). I think the unnamed role is somewhat interesting too, because I'm betting if I investigated someone important, there might just be a small clue that they were in an otherwise inocuous result.

[Khazaar]

Vote: Beskar

I´m sorry I havent followed this game as dilligently as others. I´ll have a bit of catching up to do...

[Beskar]

Vote: Beskar

I´m sorry I havent followed this game as dilligently as others. I´ll have a bit of catching up to do...

Scum.

[Renata]

What makes the gods think that Andres did not use his switching ability on me and Gasmask?

Based on the write-up, I would have guessed the switching ability was used on Beskar and the unidentified young man (symbolized by the transfer of Beskar's coat). That leaves no switching left over for you.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Based on the write-up, I would have guessed the switching ability was used on Beskar and the unidentified young man (symbolized by the transfer of Beskar's coat). That leaves no switching left over for you.

It hasn't been said that I was investigated last night.

[Renata]

All right then, if you're going to play that game -- Andres' ability was also in play the previous night, with Ada and Winston Hughes. Do you mean to imply seriously that the ghosts have been sitting on this for three days?

Oh great deliverer of pizzas, do reply: When was the information obtained on Sasaki? And while you're at it, does anyone you're in touch with have any other suspects?

[Renata]

From me, earlier:

ATPG, what recourse does the town have if you are wrong about Sasaki being the root of all evil, or whatever it is you said? (You are dead. We can't take revenge on you.)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I don't see why you singled out the one possible explanation for the result. Is that your "game"?

[Renata]

And these, courtesy of Andres:

ATPG, I have a multi-part question for you, courtesy of our friendly hometown Godfather:
a- Are you trying to awake Azathoth?
b- Are you trying to prevent the awakening of Azathoth?
c- Are you under the impression that the Psychics are trying to manipulate you?
d- Is Mordiggian aka The Great Old a bit too cooperative with the Psychics for your taste?

[Renata]

I don't see why you singled out the one possible explanation for the result. Is that your "game"?

You're implying I know that you were investigated last night, as opposed to more than two days ago. Fine. Imply away.

[Diamondeye]

If you really are a pro-town role, I appreciate your struggle, Kojiro, but I am inclined to believe that this is not the case. And the safe way of finding out is lynching you.

@ATPG: Good to have an active speaker for the ghost town. My congratulations to them for electing a good speaker and a suggestion that they keep you as speaker. And glad more players are weighing in now despite the short and mostly bland posts.

[Centurion1]

Also, AVSM, TheFlax, and Centurion1 have not yet voted. Please vote, or I will be forced to WoG you - and you all have been informed or know of your position to boot.

I did vote..... for renata

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If you really are a pro-town role, I appreciate your struggle, Kojiro, but I am inclined to believe that this is not the case. And the safe way of finding out is lynching you.

That's not a safe way.

When there's five people left, and you are desperately trying to decide who is the last mafioso, will my lynching have been "safe"?

[Askthepizzaguy]

All right then, if you're going to play that game -- Andres' ability was also in play the previous night, with Ada and Winston Hughes. Do you mean to imply seriously that the ghosts have been sitting on this for three days?

Oh great deliverer of pizzas, do reply: When was the information obtained on Sasaki? And while you're at it, does anyone you're in touch with have any other suspects?

The information was obtained last night.

We have an unfortunate lack of leads other than Sasaki, mainly because people aren't praying. However, some have noted to me in their prayers that Khazaar was inactive for a while but suspiciously not on the WOG list, and his posts seem pretty scummy. Warrants more suspicion. Without more investigation/blocking results, it is the blind leading the blind. Don't rely just on us for suspects.

ATPG, I have a multi-part question for you, courtesy of our friendly hometown Godfather:
a- Are you trying to awake Azathoth?
b- Are you trying to prevent the awakening of Azathoth?
c- Are you under the impression that the Psychics are trying to manipulate you?
d- Is Mordiggian aka The Great Old a bit too cooperative with the Psychics for your taste?

Such numerous questions! I am in pizza heaven. (literally!)

A) No, quite the opposite.
B) Yes. If you truly seek to eliminate Azathoth, even if purely for your own survival Andres, then don't interfere with the town's efforts. Maybe even stop murdering for a while.
C) It is possible, but they aren't being very effective if so.
D) Mordiggian is an interesting, fascinating figure. I would prefer it if Mordiggian work with the town and the psychics rather than with Andres, anyway.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If there is support for lynching Khazaar, may I suggest a counter wagon?

unovote:diamondeye, vote:Khazaar

[Beskar]

unvote; vote: Khazaar

[Splitpersonality]

Unvote; Vote:Khazaar

Reverse bandwagon for the win!

[White_eyes:D]

Vote:Sasaki Kojiro In a game of chess.....I always like to think two or three moves ahead of my opponent...it's about time I got you back for faking those Pm's in "Riftwar"