Civil Servants

[Beskar]

As to the UK in particular.
I think the public sector is much too small. Privatisation in the past two decades has ruined services. Trains, electricity, waste management - upon privatization, costs increased and service decreased.
http://www.tni.org/article/privatisation-failures-uk

Won't convince the hero's of the market who would argue that it was lack of profit, compared to the actual fact of exploitation by the market which is do as little as possible for the most money they can get.

Cursed Labour and their expansive government.

Shhh, let them dream. They probably think Thatcher was a great prime-minister.

[Furunculus]

Won't convince the hero's of the market who would argue that it was lack of profit, compared to the actual fact of exploitation by the market which is do as little as possible for the most money they can get.



Shhh, let them dream. They probably think Thatcher was a great prime-minister.

she was.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Some civil servants are extremely powerful. Take the Ontario Teacher's Pension Plan in Canada:

The OTPP maintains a prominent role as one of Canada's largest investors, owning investments across Canada. Through its fully owned subsidiary Cadillac Fairview, the OTPP owns properties including the Toronto-Dominion Centre, Toronto Eaton Centre, and the Rideau Centre in Ottawa. Through its investment arm, Teachers' Private Capital, the OTPP owns or has interests in companies such as Bell Canada (BCE), Samsonite, Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment, Maple Leaf Foods, Parmalat Canada, Doane Pet Care, Shoppers Drug Mart, and Worldspan. In 2006 it acquired a 20% stake in CTVglobemedia.

Meaning it owns one of Canada's largest financial complexes, two of the largest malls in Canada's capital and Ontario's capital, the largest sports team in Ontario, one of the largest food companies in Ontario, stakes in one of the largest drug store chains in Ontario, and a fifth of Canada's most reliable newspaper and one of the largest private television networks in Canada. And more.

EDIT: That's another thing - high ranking civil servants usually have political/administrative power as well.

[Beskar]

she was.

She was one of the worst. Only good thing she probably did was organise the rebate from the EU.

Shutting down all the coal mines, including the profitable ones - Bad Idea.
Stripping Britain of all her assets to fund a mismanaged economy - Really Really Bad Idea.
Poll tax - Really Bad Idea.
and it continues.

EDIT: That's another thing - high ranking civil servants usually have political/administrative power as well.

I dislike the quango's as well, unfortunately, the right won't let us change the system.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I dislike the quango's as well, unfortunately, the right won't let us change the system.

No, the right won't let you uproot the system and replace it with a socialist paradise. We are quite open to reform.

[Beskar]

No, the right won't let you uproot the system and replace it with a socialist paradise. We are quite open to reform.

I didn't know democracy was so against your interests.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I didn't know democracy was so against your interests.

Daniel Hannan.

An effective rebuttal in two words.

[Beskar]

Daniel Hannan.

An effective rebuttal in two words.

The guy who preaches in an empty room? I never heard him say anything about Quango's or anything related so the rebuttal as effective as me referencing Malaysian poetry.

[rory_20_uk]

She was one of the worst. Only good thing she probably did was organise the rebate from the EU.

Shutting down all the coal mines, including the profitable ones - Bad Idea.
Stripping Britain of all her assets to fund a mismanaged economy - Really Really Bad Idea.
Poll tax - Really Bad Idea.
and it continues.

I dislike the quango's as well, unfortunately, the right won't let us change the system.

To rephrase, was Thatcher better than the Labour government she replaced?
They ruined the manufacturing sector along with the unions with a collapse of quality and productivity
3 day week
First developed nation going to the IMF cap in hand

Did the following leaders fair any better? Tony and Brown have managed to increase the Public Sector by the most ever - and on a completely related note we're still in recession and have a massive structural deficit.

Change is easiest in times of adversity as eventually most realise things can't continue. Fingers crossed Quangos will be reduced. But they are so useful in times on Media hype - "it's all sorted, we've got the Commission to Narrowly Supervise Today's Cock-Up so move along..."

Yesterday I had to attend a course on Child Protection - as do ALL NHS employees. Per week 2 children die due to abuse (on average). Over the last decade we've been deluged with reports, plans, action points and reforms to reduce this. "Oddly", the reports and plans have coincided with episodes of media frenzy...

It's increased over the last 5 years.

Not only was this not mentioned at the teaching, but the fact that unless all parents are supervised 24/7 there will always be some deaths because of this.

It's the appearance of doing something - the proceedure rather than the outcome that is important. That boxes are ticked, events are highlighted, the right agencies are informed etc. In the Private / Charitable sector it is outcomes that are important. Within reason, the how is far less important.

Oh, and no training / time is spent on young men who commit suicide every week. On average there's 80/week. But then I can't remember the last news story that focused on this stat.