Healed casualties

[SwissBarbar]

Quite interesting, but very unlogical. Why should the units that lie the longest time wounded on the battlefield survive, while those, who get wounded short time before the battle ends, and then very quickly can be brought to the chirurgeon or whoever, die?

[Tollheit]

I agree, and it irks me too, SwissBarbar.

[Ludens]

I was under the impression that it was missile casualties that were more likely to heal. There is some research in the Ludus Magna, but it's ancient and IIRC Aemilius Paulus posted evidence some time ago that it was not correct. I cannot find his post, unfortunately.

[Tollheit]

It's not that enigmatic, guys.

[Tollheit]

Some battle result screenshots to illustrate my point:

Battle for Chach, Saka vs. Eleuthereu, spring of 272 BC, battle difficulty: normal

1) Sent in Early Saka Nobles first, then Saka HA, then Saka FA:

2)Sent in Saka HA first, then Early Saka Nobles, then Saka FA:

3) Sent in Saka FA first, then Saka HA, then Early Saka Nobles:


Most casualties were casualties by missile fire, but I can assure you, you'd get the same results for melee sieges. I'm just too lazy to demonstrate.

[WinsingtonIII]

That evidence is pretty hard to argue against, you're right....

Now why would the system work like that? It doesn't make any sense!

I guess maybe it was an ease of programming issue.

[seienchin]

Okay as far as my researches to this topic goes:

1. Fleeing units get nearly every man back they lost after starting to run, if you win the battle.
2. When a unit card starts to blink and you loose a lot of men in short time it is the same
3. Cavallery charge victims do not recover, but(!!!! really important) most units start to blink after getting charged by heavy cavallery, so they get most of there casualties directly after the charge back.
4. Cavallery tend to get less man back. Maybe because in EB they rarely blink.
5. Arrow fire casualties in EB seem to have a higher recovery rate, but I never experienced that in Vanilla. Dont know why

The thing about fleeing units and blinking is 100% true, but everything else is my conclusion after countless battles.

Against Tollheits point:
Fight a siege battle and not only the units you let atack the walls first recover, but everybody also.

[Cullhwch]

Check the AIGeneral trait. I edited the hell out of mine (no more 5 minute fights against the general himself), but I believe that the AI generals get a big bonus to their BattleSurgery stat. That would explain the healing discrepancies between human and AI generals. Remove that line and everything should equalize.

[Tollheit]

Okay as far as my researches to this topic goes:

1. Fleeing units get nearly every man back they lost after starting to run, if you win the battle.
2. When a unit card starts to blink and you loose a lot of men in short time it is the same
3. Cavallery charge victims do not recover, but(!!!! really important) most units start to blink after getting charged by heavy cavallery, so they get most of there casualties directly after the charge back.
4. Cavallery tend to get less man back. Maybe because in EB they rarely blink.
5. Arrow fire casualties in EB seem to have a higher recovery rate, but I never experienced that in Vanilla. Dont know why

The thing about fleeing units and blinking is 100% true, but everything else is my conclusion after countless battles.

I disagree with all your points.

Against Tollheits point:
Fight a siege battle and not only the units you let atack the walls first recover, but everybody also.

Not true.

[Ludens]

Most casualties were casualties by missile fire, but I can assure you, you'd get the same results for melee sieges. I'm just too lazy to demonstrate.

That does look pretty strong. I have referred to this thread in the Ludus Magna discussion. Feel free to post your research in the LM.

[seienchin]

WOOW. Okay I researched myself and played 10 custom and 2 campain battles to do so and here are my results:

1. The units who are first getting casualties (Not just contact, not just killing enemies) are getting their soldiers healed.
2. When I atacked with 3 Units and let one of them rout, it had the most people restored.
3. Getting one man killed in the beginning is enough. I got one rider killed and 5 minuits later 30 more and they still got healed.

This blows my mind? Who made that system?
I guess that is the reason why the only efficient tactic in a long campain in EB is to always press forward. When I started to roleplay my battles I took huge losses

There is still something I didnt research:
What about reeinforcement?

[SwissBarbar]

Ah, that explains a lot