Conversion to Christianity?

[Brandy Blue]

Send in the priests? I thought that conversion in STW was done by churches and cathedrals, or temples if Bhuddist, and that these buildings work on nearby provinces as well. Do the priests play a role in conversion?

[gollum]

a massive role BB. use them next time ;)

[caravel]

Send in the priests? I thought that conversion in STW was done by churches and cathedrals, or temples if Bhuddist, and that these buildings work on nearby provinces as well. Do the priests play a role in conversion?

Conversion works similarly to that in MTW. Priests, churches, the cathedral, buddhist temples and buddhist emissaries all play a part.

[Brandy Blue]

Thanks for the info. I don't know how conversions happened in real life, but it sort of makes sense if priests help.

[gollum]

Kinda makes sense, yes :) They're also dirt cheap, and you can make swarms of them ;)

[chaouki]

and let the enemy's ninjas kill them for level up's :D

[Brandy Blue]

Well, I can't honestly say that I ever really thought about how conversion happens in the game. I just stepped up security, scattered churches throughout the land, and settled back to try to be a wise father to my smaller warriors, or whatever it is the Portugese ambassador called me. But now you've got me curious.

Looks like the game recognizes three models of how conversion happens.

1: Convert the boss. The rest will follow. Do people automatically convert to the rulers religion like in MTW?

2: The St Paul version. Send out the missionaries to convert people. That's what your Jesuit priests are for.

3: The base camp version. Monestaries, especially the one on Holy Isle, are supposed to have played a key role in the conversion of northern England, and so can your Japanese churches.

There are other ways to think about conversion, but the game seems to only consider these three. I wonder how things happened in real life. Some diamyos converted, but did that lead to mass conversions in their clans, or did the leader convert because thats what the clan was doing anyway? What role did the foreign priests play? Did they do most of the converting, or did Japanese Christians do most of the converting, while the priests mostly taught, preached, said the Mass, etc? I believe there was some sporadic persecution. On the whole did that weaken or strengthen Japanese Christianity? Well, later it pretty much stamped it out, but I mean in the period covered by the game.

[gollum]

Hello BB,
the Jesuits that arrived in Japan spread a militant vesion of Christianity and within a relatively short period of time they had converted large parts of the population including lords. The "Kirishitan" (Christians in Japanese accent) included foremost generals and Daimyos. The game offers you conversion from churches and priests, but not automatically from the conversion of the daimyo as in MTW that the religion of the faction automatically propagates - once you convert you need to convert your subjects and this can be a tricky period if not plpanned. There were sporadic persecutions, yes, and towards the end of the period large scale persecutions. Japanese Christians of teh period masquearaded statues of the Virgin as statues of the Boddhisattva Kannon (the Bodhisattva (enlightened being) of compassion, female in representation), and did other such camouflages, as collective law in Japan was (and is) pretty severe.

For more, have a look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirishitan

[Marshall Louis-Nicolas Davout]

I would not convert,in the game sense really.

The Matchlock ashaguri are good ,but not that good,the friebombers are ok.

There are many ways to defeat the peasent matchlock,even the samurai matchlock are no good.

No,I would not do it.

[gollum]

hello takeda shogunate - this is the forum for STW1, your comments sound for STW2 :) - but welcome nevertheless.

[Marshall Louis-Nicolas Davout]

oh,so you are my boss now?you're going to tell me what to do now?