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    Default Re: Will Sarah Palin be elected President of the US in 2012?

    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    I didn't say that at all. You're over-reacting (sadly, predictably). I said that women should not be made to feel that they are required to have a family and a career. Your objection to the "traditional" role of a woman devalues the raising of a family. My own mother would tell you that raising two children of her own was harder and more demanding than working as an accountant or a primary school teacher.
    Though the point was, your father could do that while your mother worked.

    Only women can concieve, carry, birth, and feed an infant.
    That one is not true. I was never breast fed.

    Anecdotally, women wake when their babies cry, men don't.
    They do, but they grunt and moan and tell their 'wife' to do it. Or they are actually a good father and do go to their child.

    I dissagree vehemently. I have never found a "mother" figure in a man, or a "father" figure in a woman. Men should obviously be involved in the raising of their children, but shoehorning them into the maternal role seems unfair, and doesn't play to most men's strengths in my opinion.
    They don't need a "mother" nor a "father" figure. They just need a figure there to love and care for them. Also, what is playing to not playing to most men's strengths? Majority of fathers I know are good and takecare of their children and raising kids do play to their strengths. I am also good with children. Just because you might be a bad father or raised by one, doesn't men that you just label everyone else.

    I believe most three year olds would rather run to "mummy" when they cut their knee than "daddy" or "nanny".
    And you are wrong there, unless they were a bad father, then obviously would go to "mummy" because "daddy" would be at the pub. Even seen three year olds come to "Uncle", (oh wait, that was my niece who came to me.)

    All of which is covered under egalitarianism. Except this; you seem to think women should be able to choose to be like men. That simply isn't possible on a lot of levels, and it begs the question of why on Earth you would want to in the first place.
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    You've skipped over my point. Legally, women who work the same job for the same number of years are due all the benefits of men. However, in many cases if you take maternity leave you fall behind in the payscale because you weren't working when the men were.
    Actually, men can take maternity leave as well.

    I can't think of a recent instance of a woman without children being paid less than a man; for all the rhetoric. Such a case would have made the national news and yet no femenist in Britain has ever produced an example.
    LOL, it is a commonly known fact and is usually in the news regularly on BBC. Look at the various figures such as payscale differences, and national averages. It is usually at the bottom of the list because it is something which is known but they just don't make a fuss over it.
    Last edited by Beskar; 12-18-2009 at 00:26.
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