If you guys don't want us here, how about you guys just say it. We had a moderated group requiring Appo's approval that was only used by our small group and our small group alone. No one else posted or frequented it and we left all of our craziness in the group and didn't spread it to the rest of the org. That tavern was my only way of communicating to my online friends who I have talked to for a year and a half now and now I doubt if we can get everyone back together. I really don't care if you say in it public, but I doubt you will. Come on, go ahead and admit that you guys don't want me or Meth or Aza or Subo or AP disrupting your "honorable" and "camel loving" little online community, I really don't care. I don't anyone of you will though, and I doubt this will receive any response but this getting locked and me getting banned.

If you want someone to be pissed at, it was Az and Subotan (And probably AP) that took it outside the bloody group.

Well, you are still welcome to have a group, but I guess the craziness was a bit too crazy. Some of the mods don't like you guys, but that isn't what tosa was basing the decision on.

Can't you just make a quicktopic or something?

AZ and Sub actually asked for it. If they wouldn't have posted their stupid links we might have gotten away with it. But drawing attention was stupid and something like that was bound to happen.

But I also disagree that Tosa and the mods are like "it's a decission and we wont allow anyone to say something about it." This has a "either you accept it or you get out" mentality.

Hello,

There are forumrules and topics about moderating the behaviour in social groups in this forum for long, very long. You don't expect me to beg you everyday to keep your group clean, do you?

By far the easiest thing is to boot the whole group, seriously. I would not need excuses if my whim told me to do so and in this case I do not need more excuses either, as the group has already provided enough. Sure, there are good discussions, but I am not going to inspect 1,000's of posts to check what can stay and what can not.

Start a new EB group, keep it tidy and all is ok.

Indeed it does, because that's the way it is. This isn't a democracy or any sort of popular rule.

The rules are clear, and there's many ways to set up communication outside of the Org; quicktopics, VB forums, etc.

CR

The function of a forum is that people comunicate with each other right?
I am allowed to state my opinion about the mods actions right?

Yes, that is what the Watchtower is for.

Don't know the whole details, but we have had the discussion about groups and profiles before. Forum rules apply, even if there is no standard moderation. Piracy/pr0n are verboten. Language is technically against the rules, but will likely be ignored unless attention is drawn.

Sounds like rules #1 and #2 were ignored, and the discussion leaked into the main forum and attracted mod attention.
Your crew are pretty active members, and do contribute to the community in the normal forums. Just learn to compartmentalize...

There is a bottom-line and that is that there are some things that cannot do and majority of these can be enforced by the server host, so it is not even up to Tosa to decide it should be allowed or not, as it is the server policy not to have those things,

Should the forum face consequences and possibly shut down because some members couldn't behave themselves? The answer is obviously no.

TosaInu as far as I am aware, just deleted it and went "Right, just create a new one and don't let it get like that again." after there have been warning and comments all done before. One of the worse things as a staff-member is when the forum starts becoming a job rather than something you enjoy. I remember when I was a moderator, that it can easily get into the case where some things really do become a hassle and it is like some members just do it to purposely just to cause trouble.

What TosaInu might have been seen as harsh at first, but he has warned and commented on this area before and it was the members of the group that caused all the trouble who are at fault, not TosaInu and the staff-members.

As AVSM, who I believe is a Taverner pointed out:
Also drawing attention to the moderators to what was actually inside the group as well which broke a lot of the ground rules.

Of course you can, within the forum rules.

There's a lesson in there somewhere, and you people are certainly intelligent enough to figure out what it is. So, think way back when all y'all were removed from TWC. I have no real idea why, but I imagine I wouldn't be far off the mark if it happened to be under similar circumstances, right ? Don't tell me, I really don't care. That was way in the past, and we are concerned with the immediate present.

You know, it's funny. This is the only social group at the org that I am aware of that has ever been deleted. In fact, this is the only social group that I can recall with multiple reported posts for unacceptable content. Everyone else seems to be able to handle it, and I don't believe for a minute that all the other groups are 100% choir boys. However, despite that and the lack of moderator super-nannies looking over their shoulders they manage to get along here without any undue trouble.

This forum is very tolerant when it comes to allowing serious rule breakers back, more so than any other place I've ever been. However, it would be a mistake to take that as a weakness to be exploited.
I'm not speaking for Tosa or anyone else, but as far as I know and am concerned all are welcome to stay including those that are currently temporarily banned. This has always been the policy since I've been here. However, that is up to each of you. All y'all are in total control of your individual circumstances here.

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There are rules.

If you miscreants push the wrong button, you can expect a reaction... suprise! you got a reaction. It seems that your "normal" activities merely gets you registering on the Org spy satelite, flaunting flaming kitty like a banner begs for a nuclear strike, with a follow up nuke on top of the rubble, just in case.

You got off lightly.

in my humble opinion.

You should either post within the bounds of what is acceptable... or not post at all.

PS act like a grown up when you review your post, proir to posting it (you do do that don't you?) it might save you some grief.

regards

Bastard.

I knew all this group stuff was gonna end in tears. Lay off our mods, gentlemen. And hope that I'm never made one.

No one here has insulted the mods or the .org (acin shouldn't count). The general consensus seems to be that the tavern is full of cat-burning potheads filling pages with crispy animals. It's interesting how an isolated event that wasn't approved by taverners in the first place can turn into a stereotype within a single thread. I don't care if anybody tries to limit the admitted profanity going on, but what is the point of villifying us? Yes, one photo of animal abuse was present. Our crime was that we simply didn't report it. I don't recall any amount of flaunting or boasting about that going on, nor do I recall anyone making it their sig, nor was that image ever referenced again apart from the one post.