Calling out the mods.

[miotas]

i find it hard to believe no one knew about something like that. i mean egads man how does that not get around and why didnt anyone tell him to take it down?

I knew about it, but never seen it because *gasp* it was removed. Basically in the tavern our rule breaking consisted of swearing too much and complaining about people who annoy us in the main forums.

[Rilder]

I knew about it, but never seen it because *gasp* it was removed. Basically in the tavern our rule breaking consisted of swearing too much and complaining about people who annoy us in the main forums.

This.

Wait guys!

I get it now.

If someone not a part of the eb tavern had posted the image would that of meant that that everybody who isn't a part of the EB tavern is, how did that guy put it?

A Kitten burner?

[Klaüse]

The admins are Nazi Pussies on a powertrip

[Fixiwee]

^
if you are connected to the EV tavern I'm gonna give up and state that the mods and admins are right.

And that POs me because I wrote a long msg against the arrogans in the post of LEN, but I wont post it anymore.

[Lemur]

I want links to some examples please.

I'm sorry, am I suddenly in the business of satisfying your curiosity? Am I supposed to hunt through all of the infractions that have been accrued in the last year, correlate them with my PM box and find you examples, which you will doubtless dismiss anyway?

I am not in the habit of lying or misrepresenting the truth. It's something of a personal fetish. If my word isn't good enough for you, then we have nothing more to discuss.

Man, at this point I just want a place where I talk with my Tavern friends (been here for a year and a half already) and shoot the breeze without my sentences becoming stupid daisy's.

Gee, it's too bad there's no unmoderated places where you can talk for free on the internet tubes.

[Fixiwee]

I'm pretty sure that LEN did not read any post written by AVSM or me befor posting his statement.

Which is why I am quite frustrated with some moderators. (given that some have been very reasonable)

[KukriKhan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by miotas
I knew about it, but never seen it because *gasp* it was removed. Basically in the tavern our rule breaking consisted of swearing too much and complaining about people who annoy us in the main forums.

This.

Wait guys!

I get it now.

If someone not a part of the eb tavern had posted the image would that of meant that that everybody who isn't a part of the EB tavern is, how did that guy put it?

A Kitten burner?

Heh. Yeah. The irony is thick.

Does this not prompt the question: "Moderation? Is it best self-applied, or externally imposed?" "Self-applied" is my preferred answer, and works pretty darned well throughout this org place. But lacking that in the ebt, 'externally applied' prevailed.

Frankly, I am surprised that you all are surprised. Swearing? Ppffft. You guys don't know the first thing about it.

Burnt cats, cartoon orgies, headless cadavers. I mean c'mon. YOU should have nuked the place yourselves. But you didn't. So the grown-ups had to do it for you. With predictable results.

Can you not see the ultimate consequence? Think ahead a day or week or month ahead?

Given what could have been the fate of the group, I would say they got off lucky, compared to the treatment they'd've likely received anywhere else on the 'net, including /4/chan.

And why is that?

Because, in this place, this totalwar-dot-org place, EVERYone has a valued voice. The newbie and the 10-year veteran have the same ability to solve a problem. Because each LISTENS to the other, with respect. So, members are given a time-out, vs a ban.

~~~~++++~~~~

So, what have we learnt from this exercise - exorcise-ism?

1) This is a nice place, where nobody gets ignored, about totalwar, as a game and/or a concept
2) This nice place has politeness/civility rules.
3) Those rules get enforced as problems arise
4) This is a nice place, where nobody gets ignored, about totalwar, as a game and/or a concept.
5) This nice place has politeness/civility rules.
6) Those rules get enforced as problems arise

[Csargo]

Bah, I'm ignored all the time.

[Fixiwee]

Heh. Yeah. The irony is thick.

Does this not prompt the question: "Moderation? Is it best self-applied, or externally imposed?" "Self-applied" is my preferred answer, and works pretty darned well throughout this org place. But lacking that in the ebt, 'externally applied' prevailed.

Frankly, I am surprised that you all are surprised. Swearing? Ppffft. You guys don't know the first thing about it.

Burnt cats, cartoon orgies, headless cadavers. I mean c'mon. YOU should have nuked the place yourselves. But you didn't. So the grown-ups had to do it for you. With predictable results.

Can you not see the ultimate consequence? Think ahead a day or week or month ahead?

Given what could have been the fate of the group, I would say they got off lucky, compared to the treatment they'd've likely received anywhere else on the 'net, including /4/chan.

And why is that?

Because, in this place, this totalwar-dot-org place, EVERYone has a valued voice. The newbie and the 10-year veteran have the same ability to solve a problem. Because each LISTENS to the other, with respect. So, members are given a time-out, vs a ban.

~~~~++++~~~~

So, what have we learnt from this exercise - exorcise-ism?

1) This is a nice place, where nobody gets ignored, about totalwar, as a game and/or a concept
2) This nice place has politeness/civility rules.
3) Those rules get enforced as problems arise
4) This is a nice place, where nobody gets ignored, about totalwar, as a game and/or a concept.
5) This nice place has politeness/civility rules.
6) Those rules get enforced as problems arise

The post in 2 sentences:

The org is awesome and impeccable.
Every taverner is a troll and a stupid ignorant kid.

Sorry, but you too obviously have not read a single post by AVSM or me.
Why are we ignored all the time?

Bah, I'm ignored all the time.

I'm sorry but you only made one post here and it was something like "lol why did that happen, i hope all is well soon."

;)

[NICATON]

Burnt cats, cartoon orgies, headless cadavers. I mean c'mon. YOU should have nuked the place yourselves. But you didn't. So the grown-ups had to do it for you. With predictable results.

Blame AP then! He posted the damn cat and cadaver (cartoon orgies? now i don't even remember that, I have lurked constantly for a year and a half now).

Because, in this place, this totalwar-dot-org place, EVERYone has a valued voice. The newbie and the 10-year veteran have the same ability to solve a problem. Because each LISTENS to the other, with respect. So, members are given a time-out, vs a ban.

Haha, good one.


Also, that Klausen or whatever, is not part of the Tavern at all. I don't know who he is. If anyone, ban people like him who posts that crap in public.

[Csargo]

I'm sorry but you only made one post here and it was something like "lol why did that happen, i hope all is well soon."

;)

That was in general, not this thread in-particular.

It's already been said many times by your own members that rules were broken in the tavern. Tosa deleted it because of that, and I doubt there is any way to get back any of the things that were lost in the mass deletion. That was his decision to make, since he spends his time with the upkeep of this site. I don't see what any of you are trying to do by arguing in this thread. I'm fairly certain that nothing is going to change by doing so. You can go and try to put back together what was lost, or continue complaining about something that you can't change. It's your choice.

[NICATON]

I like complaining.

[Csargo]

I like complaining.

Carry on then

[Togakure]

Why not side-step this whole issue as someone else suggested and make your own board? There are plenty of free ones out there. Then you could password it, control membership, and behind closed doors do whatever the bleep you wanted.

If no one has the ability, or time or whatever, hell, I administrate a Yuku board that isn't used much anymore. I can set up a private forum only you guys can see, that requires membership or a password to enter, and then you guys can do whatever you want in there and leave the Org in peace. That is, if there is truth in what's been said about just wanting a place to hang out. I'd just like to see this thread go to sleep.

[pevergreen]

If no one has the ability, or time or whatever, hell, I administrate a Yuku board that isn't used much anymore. I can set up a private forum only you guys can see, that requires membership or a password to enter, and then you guys can do whatever you want in there and leave the Org in peace. That is, if there is truth in what's been said about just wanting a place to hang out. I'd just like to see this thread go to sleep.

Along that road, I've got a fully setup forum site that hasnt been visited by anyone but me in the last year, I'll gladly hand over admin of it. (linky dink: http://blackgryphon.15.forumer.com/index.php?)

[Beskar]

I think what has been said is all that has been said. "talking about" it anymore will not get anywhere since even though there are posts, people aren't actually communicating.

There are also guest posts from random accounts, such as we saw, really paint the EB members possibly worse than they actually are, if it wasn't them who posted them in the first place.

In the tradition sense, this thread needs a nappy time and the new EB Tavern is now up.

[Subotan]

I'm sorry, am I suddenly in the business of satisfying your curiosity? Am I supposed to hunt through all of the infractions that have been accrued in the last year, correlate them with my PM box and find you examples, which you will doubtless dismiss anyway?

If you make a statement like that, you are the one who is expected to provide. Why should I be obliged to find something which I know is not true?

I am not in the habit of lying or misrepresenting the truth. It's something of a personal fetish. If my word isn't good enough for you, then we have nothing more to discuss.

Yes, I an see that. We are not accusing you are. But you're not addressing our concerns.

Gee, it's too bad there's no unmoderated places where you can talk for free on the internet tubes.

Did you even read my posts?

Heh. Yeah. The irony is thick.

Does this not prompt the question: "Moderation? Is it best self-applied, or externally imposed?" "Self-applied" is my preferred answer, and works pretty darned well throughout this org place. But lacking that in the ebt, 'externally applied' prevailed.

Frankly, I am surprised that you all are surprised. Swearing? Ppffft. You guys don't know the first thing about it.

We are willing and we are able to impose moderation to get rid of isolated incidents like Zippocat.

Burnt cats, cartoon orgies, headless cadavers. I mean c'mon. YOU should have nuked the place yourselves. But you didn't. So the grown-ups had to do it for you. With predictable results.

The first and last one were posted by the same member, and were dealt with, whilst the second one had no connection to the EB Tavern.

Given what could have been the fate of the group, I would say they got off lucky, compared to the treatment they'd've likely received anywhere else on the 'net, including /4/chan.

If you think that that would have got you banned at 4chan, then you are oh so woefully mistaken. We are very tame compared to most of the stuff on the internet, and we like it that way. If we wanted to see pictures of burning cats all the time, we wouldn't be here.

And why is that?

Because, in this place, this totalwar-dot-org place, EVERYone has a valued voice. The newbie and the 10-year veteran have the same ability to solve a problem. Because each LISTENS to the other, with respect. So, members are given a time-out, vs a ban.

That's what we're doing, and is why we're not resorting to "omg mods are gay". I know that the org works like that and it is just one of the many features I like about the org. They make the org a nice place to be. However, they are being too rigidly enforced, and are proving detrimental to a substantial proportion of the org's members.

The post in 2 sentences:

The org is awesome and impeccable.
Every taverner is a troll and a stupid ignorant kid.

Sorry, but you too obviously have not read a single post by AVSM or me.
Why are we ignored all the time?

1000% true. I am spending a lot of time responding to every meaningful post, and I don't even get replies. It's quite annoying, as well as rude.

Bah, I'm ignored all the time.

I responded to you :3

It's already been said many times by your own members that rules were broken in the tavern.

The vast vast majority of those rules were just profanity. We weren't running some kind of crime den or something. Yet the knee-jerk reaction of "If all else fails, use fire" didn't solve anything.

Why not side-step this whole issue as someone else suggested and make your own board? There are plenty of free ones out there. Then you could password it, control membership, and behind closed doors do whatever the bleep you wanted.

If no one has the ability, or time or whatever, hell, I administrate a Yuku board that isn't used much anymore. I can set up a private forum only you guys can see, that requires membership or a password to enter, and then you guys can do whatever you want in there and leave the Org in peace. That is, if there is truth in what's been said about just wanting a place to hang out. I'd just like to see this thread go to sleep.

That's considerate, but not feasible. Not only is that unlikely to work, as we'll lose some friends in transition, What is the point of having two separate forums, where all the members of one forum are members of another, and majority of the discussion in the first one relates to discussion in the second one?

I think what has been said is all that has been said. "talking about" it anymore will not get anywhere since even though there are posts, people aren't actually communicating.

I am communicating. I am responding to every point made, and a lot of the EB Tavern members are responding as well. We're just subject to cherry-picking.

There are also guest posts from random accounts, such as we saw, really paint the EB members possibly worse than they actually are, if it wasn't them who posted them in the first place.

Why would we post something that isn't true?

********************

It appears that my posts are still being ignored by the vast majority of the respondents here, so I'll just post this. What is wrong, with having a voluntary section of the org where the following

I just want a place where I talk with my Tavern friends (been here for a year and a half already) and shoot the breeze without my sentences becoming stupid daisy's

It would not impact on the majority of the people who use the .org in any way. Sure, it might have done in the past, but since we've seen how touchy the mods are about it affecting other parts of the forum, we promise to not to.

And don't give me any of the stupid "4 Rules Good, 2 Rules Bad", since I know that none of you are stupid enough to think that rules are impeccable. Don't attempt to convince me otherwise.

[Krusader]

I think what has been said is all that has been said. "talking about" it anymore will not get anywhere since even though there are posts, people aren't actually communicating.

There are also guest posts from random accounts, such as we saw, really paint the EB members possibly worse than they actually are, if it wasn't them who posted them in the first place.

In the tradition sense, this thread needs a nappy time and the new EB Tavern is now up.

I assume you mean EB Tavern members?

[Husar]

I think this thread is funny, I like it when people are oppressed.

Carry on people and give those EB-nazis a smack across the face and a punch in the stomach, verbally of course.

If you make a statement like that, you are the one who is expected to provide. Why should I be obliged to find something which I know is not true?

Well, I'm not Lemur but I too have noticed that EB tavern members have behaved like Lemur says but I sure as limbo couldn't give an example or find a post, yet i know it happened. And i know that people actually noticed that "the EB tavern guys are invading the Frontroom" so you people must have done something different to get that amount of attention. That's not our or the mods' fault, you're the ones who drew that attention onto yourselves. If you're trying to say the mods are looking for some people to oppress now and then, then let me pull a Tribesman here:

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

That's what we're doing, and is why we're not resorting to "omg mods are gay". I know that the org works like that and it is just one of the many features I like about the org. They make the org a nice place to be. However, they are being too rigidly enforced, and are proving detrimental to a substantial proportion of the org's members.

How many are there of you that you now constitute a "substantial proportion" of Org membership? I think that the substantial proportion of the Org membership has zero problems following Org policies. Why are you special?

[Pannonian]

Heh. Yeah. The irony is thick.

Does this not prompt the question: "Moderation? Is it best self-applied, or externally imposed?" "Self-applied" is my preferred answer, and works pretty darned well throughout this org place. But lacking that in the ebt, 'externally applied' prevailed.

My preferred form of self-applied moderation is the killfile. Bozos belong to the bozo bin, and vBulletin's Ignore function doesn't come close to satisfying the salient feature of the killfile - entirely hiding the existence of internet idiots so the signal to noise ratio is kept reasonable. Score files are even better, as one can cover whole ranges using wildcards.

[Husar]

My preferred form of self-applied moderation is the killfile. Bozos belong to the bozo bin, and vBulletin's Ignore function doesn't come close to satisfying the salient feature of the killfile - entirely hiding the existence of internet idiots so the signal to noise ratio is kept reasonable. Score files are even better, as one can cover whole ranges using wildcards.

???????

What are bozos, killfiles and score files if I may ask?

[Pannonian]

???????

What are bozos, killfiles and score files if I may ask?

What is a Killfile?

[Subotan]

Well, I'm not Lemur but I too have noticed that EB tavern members have behaved like Lemur says but I sure as limbo couldn't give an example or find a post, yet i know it happened. And i know that people actually noticed that "the EB tavern guys are invading the Frontroom" so you people must have done something different to get that amount of attention. That's not our or the mods' fault, you're the ones who drew that attention onto yourselves.

The frontroom? I rarely went there, and when I did, the only other regular patron I saw there was Meth, and possibly Azathoth. Maybe there was some confusion as to actually was an EB Tavern Patron.

If you're trying to say the mods are looking for some people to oppress now and then, then let me pull a Tribesman here:

I personally don't think that. I think that 95% of the time, they do a great job, and that moderation of that quality was common across other forums. The other 5% though, is excessive.

How many are there of you that you now constitute a "substantial proportion" of Org membership?

Since when has "substantial proportion" meant majority? I did not write majority, nor did I intend to write majority. It is quite obvious that both of those are true.

I think that the substantial proportion of the Org membership has zero problems following Org policies.

As do I, the vast majority of the time. You seem to have us confused with trolls.

Why are you special?

Didn't I already tell you to stop being condescending? Yeah, I thought so. It's getting a bit annoying now having to respond to statements which have no discernible meaning or content.

My preferred form of self-applied moderation is the killfile. Bozos belong to the bozo bin, and vBulletin's Ignore function doesn't come close to satisfying the salient feature of the killfile - entirely hiding the existence of internet idiots so the signal to noise ratio is kept reasonable. Score files are even better, as one can cover whole ranges using wildcards.

So basically, Kill it with Fire. So what defines a bozo?

Oh btw, no-one has responded to my question yet. I'll post it again, so you don't have to scroll up.

What is wrong, with having a voluntary, hidden section of the org where the following existed

I just want a place where I talk with my Tavern friends (been here for a year and a half already) and shoot the breeze without my sentences becoming stupid daisy's

It would not impact on the majority of the people who use the .org in any way. Sure, it might have done in the past, but since we've seen how touchy the mods are about it affecting other parts of the forum, we promise to not to.

And don't give me any of the stupid "4 Rules Good, 2 Rules Bad", since I know that none of you are stupid enough to think that rules are impeccable. Don't attempt to convince me otherwise.

[pevergreen]

Because you will, as a group, go back to what you were.

ACIN trolls everywhere.

Quite a few of you are fine. yourself and AVSM come to mind. Meth trolls as well, Aza is fine, I don't see Fixi.

The 'few' ruin it for the 'many'.

Get over it.