Netherworld II [Concluded]

[Chaotix]

If the mafia is smart and lucky, then I see where this game is going. You're not going to see any more kills by Yama until you've lynched YLC after killing the Lamia.

And all the while, you're going to continue thinking that I was Yama, because he's not killing. You know, all they have to do is find Garuda, and you're all screwed.

[TinCow]

You know, all they have to do is find Garuda, and you're all screwed.

Interesting that you didn't say we're all screwed. I'll take that as confirmation that you don't win with the town.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Interesting that you didn't say we're all screwed. I'll take that as confirmation that you don't win with the town.

And he didn't say "all we have to do is find Geruda"

[ULC]

And he didn't say "all we have to do is find Geruda"

So it's impossible he isn't an independent

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So it's impossible he isn't an independent

What's that you say, Mr. YL-"I never said I was 3rd party, you naive fool"-C?

[TinCow]

And he didn't say "all we have to do is find Geruda"

Worth noting that you were insistent that we give Chaotix a chance to resurrect someone to prove himself. If Chaotix is by chance telling the truth about not being Yama, then my money is on him being Hades. That fits well with a role that claims the ability to resurrect, especially when mafo-Sasaki was pleading for that to be allowed to happen.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Worth noting that you were insistent that we give Chaotix a chance to resurrect someone to prove himself. If Chaotix is by chance telling the truth about not being Yama, then my money is on him being Hades. That fits well with a role that claims the ability to resurrect.

I claimed he was either a pro town role or a mafia role that could resurrect

[Chaotix]

No, I am town.

I'm just not helping. Without the ability to reveal anything, bring people back to life, or any of the other fun stuff that comes with being alive, I can't do a whole lot to help you out. If I see something obvious that you all missed, I'll point it out, but otherwise I'm now useless.

But I'm not feeling particularly helpful to the town that lynched their reviver right now.

[TinCow]

But I'm not feeling particularly helpful to the town that lynched their reviver right now.

You have only yourself to blame for your lynch. Act scummy, get lynched; that's how the game works. If you were actually pro-town, you'd be helping instead of taunting and trying to confuse. That's what the rest of us do when we die.

[ULC]

What's that you say, Mr. YL-"I never said I was 3rd party, you naive fool"-C?

Your only a third party if you consider yourself that. I was neural, could side with whomever I wanted, but chose town because I knew the town would need me, and it's much more fun to get mafioso angsty at you for ruining their master plans.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You have only yourself to blame for your lynch. Act scummy, get lynched; that's how the game works. If you were actually pro-town, you'd be helping instead of taunting and trying to confuse. That's what the rest of us do when we die.

Your only a third party if you consider yourself that. I was neural, could side with whomever I wanted, but chose town because I knew the town would need me, and it's much more fun to get mafioso angsty at you for ruining their master plans.

You guys are priceless

[seireikhaan]

Er....

Just as a reminder- this is the day phase. Y'all can vote.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Er....

Just as a reminder- this is the day phase. Y'all can vote.

If I consider myself to have voting ability, can I vote?

[Chaotix]

You have only yourself to blame for your lynch. Act scummy, get lynched; that's how the game works. If you were actually pro-town, you'd be helping instead of taunting and trying to confuse. That's what the rest of us do when we die.

You are quite correct. Had I not trusted you with my role information, I would still be alive right now.

And I'm not trying to confuse anyone. Rather, I know people are not going to listen to me no matter what I say, because they all think I am mafia. Instead, I am making predictions for posterity that I will come back and quote once the game is over. If you actually take heed of the warnings instead of just ignoring me, you might be better off.

[TinCow]

You are quite correct. Had I not trusted you with my role information, I would still be alive right now.

No, that was fine. It was trusting that info to 2 other people who were about to be lynched, plus putting in a huge effort to save Sasaki that made you scummy.

[TinCow]

Er....

Just as a reminder- this is the day phase. Y'all can vote.

True, time to stop being distracted by dead mafioso.

Vote: Winston Hughes

Refrained from voting for Sasaki with a scumtastic neutral excuse. Refrained from voting for Chaotix with the exact same scumtastic neutral excuse. Also, specifically named by Chaotix as one of his 'townie sacrifices', which would fit with Chaotix laying the groundwork for one of his scum buddies. Also, I recall several other people saying he was acting scummy earlier in the game.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Refrained from voting for Sasaki

[Chaotix]

True, time to stop being distracted by dead mafioso.

Vote: Winston Hughes

Refrained from voting for Sasaki with a scumtastic neutral excuse. Refrained from voting for Chaotix with the exact same scumtastic neutral excuse. Also, specifically named by Chaotix as one of his 'townie sacrifices', which would fit with Chaotix laying the groundwork for one of his scum buddies. Also, I recall several other people saying he was acting scummy earlier in the game.

Alright, you want me to help the town, TinCow, so that's what I'm doing here.

I cannot tell you that Winston is a confirmed townie. However, lynching him would be an irrational move. I made Winston reveal to me in round one in order to save his life, and he claimed townie (as he did in the thread as well, so no rule-breaking there I hope- please stop me if I'm crossing the line khaan ).

Now, if he was mafia, he would have claimed pro-town and tried to get me to revive him. As a townie, I was prepared to let him die, but when I saw the opportunity to save him I seized it, because it meant I could use him later as a sacrifice to bring back a pro-town.

He is probably a basic townie. At the time he revealed to me, it was unlikely he was going to survive at all, so as a mafia he would have leaped at the chance. He also didn't believe my own claim until after the round was over.

On the other hand, I will admit it is entirely possible he is mafia and just slipped by me. I'd say he has about as much chance of being mafia as anyone else who is currently alive.

Either way, I would suggest the town not follow TinCow blindly, as he appears to be prone to making bad decisions. We appear to have the upper hand now, but we should keep it that way by making well-thought-out choices and not senselessly bandwagoning. We have lost almost as many pro-town roles as we have killed mafia.

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Winston Hughes

I really like that name.

[Winston Hughes]

True, time to stop being distracted by dead mafioso.

Vote: Winston Hughes

Refrained from voting for Sasaki with a scumtastic neutral excuse. Refrained from voting for Chaotix with the exact same scumtastic neutral excuse. Also, specifically named by Chaotix as one of his 'townie sacrifices', which would fit with Chaotix laying the groundwork for one of his scum buddies. Also, I recall several other people saying he was acting scummy earlier in the game.

I refrained from voting for Sasaki and Chaotix because it was blatantly obvious that they were going to get lynched anyway, and piling more votes on does nothing for the innocent cause.

But I'm not going to bother defending myself any further - I've wasted enough effort doing that already, and it doesn't seem to help.

[TinCow]

However, lynching him would be an irrational move.

Sorry, I didn't realize that voting based on another person's voting pattern and statements was irrational. I though that was considered the basis of good mafia-hunting.

I made Winston reveal to me in round one in order to save his life, and he claimed townie ... Now, if he was mafia, he would have claimed pro-town and tried to get me to revive him. As a townie, I was prepared to let him die, but when I saw the opportunity to save him I seized it, because it meant I could use him later as a sacrifice to bring back a pro-town.

Let me get this straight, you're saying that claiming to be a townie on Day 1 is good evidence that you're innocent?

On the other hand, I will admit it is entirely possible he is mafia and just slipped by me. I'd say he has about as much chance of being mafia as anyone else who is currently alive.

Then why did you even write all of this? If he has as much of a chance of being mafia as anyone else, why go through all this effort to defend him? That's a lot of text for someone who "has about as much chance of being mafia as anyone else."

[Winston Hughes]

You're right about one thing, TC: whether I was mafia, plain-town, or power-town, I would've said the same thing to Chaotix when he contacted me. My actions could only be an argument in my favour if I was actually stupid enough to fall into such a trap in the first place.

By the way, since you've decided to lynch me anyway - and I'm not going to resist - what say you spend the rest of the day calling out some lurkers? At least get everyone to say a few words as they condemn me to the noose.

ps. There's a cookie in it for the first person to correctly guess what defence I would make for myself if I could be bothered with the effort.

[Andres]

Since you're not helping the town in any way, I can only assume you were indeed a mafioso.

Anyway, Winston, since you won't bother defending yourself, care to attack somebody?

You were pretty keen on lynching johnhughtom; do you still feel the same? Why should we lynch him? Do you have other suspects?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Since you're not helping the town in any way, I can only assume you were indeed a mafioso.

So you are convinced that Winston is guilty?

[Andres]

So you are convinced that Winston is guilty?

No, I'm not. In fact, I did a quick re-read on johnhughtom and, to my surprise, there wasn't much to read. Each of his posts are as good as without content. Maybe Winston is on to something.

I am however convinced that you're not really helping. You're not the type to hold grudges against the town because they lynched you wrongfully, so I assume you were indeed mafia.

I'm also very curious to see if ACIN will post in this round to avoid the Wrath of 'khaan or not.

[Winston Hughes]

You were pretty keen on lynching johnhughtom; do you still feel the same?

That's not strictly correct. I voted to lynch him, but never made any real effort to convince anyone else to do likewise. If I was more certain of his guilt, I would have made a proper case, but there's simply nothing to go on there. That's the beauty of staying quiet, isn't it?

All I can say against him is that he's been keeping a low profile throughout, and has avoided engaging in anything that looks like discussion. Now, on the one hand, that seems to be the only smart way to play in this game (since saying anything substantive makes you a vote magnet), so I can't blame him for that.

On the other hand, though, I feel it's remiss of us to let people get away with it, and john just struck me as the most suspicious of the quiet ones. There's something about the punctuality of his votes that suggests he's paying more attention than you'd think from his posts.

Do you have other suspects?

Nope. And since I've got nothing to offer the innocent cause, and no way of proving my innocence, you might as well agree to lynch me now, and then spend the rest of the day forcing quiet people to justify themselves. Whoever doesn't talk enough, you can lynch them tomorrow.

[Thermal]

vote: winston hughes

Whoever votes for someone and has a large wall of text to support it MUST be right.

Ok it wasn't even a large block, but it looks shiny.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No, I'm not. In fact, I did a quick re-read on johnhughtom and, to my surprise, there wasn't much to read. Each of his posts are as good as without content. Maybe Winston is on to something.

I am however convinced that you're not really helping. You're not the type to hold grudges against the town because they lynched you wrongfully, so I assume you were indeed mafia.

I'm only "not helping" if there is good reason to think winston is guilty.

[ULC]

Vote:ACIN

Aw, Wrath of Khaan is to slow - go for a direct lynch

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:ACIN

Aw, Wrath of Khaan is to slow - go for a direct lynch

If he's about to be wogged it's a waste.