Netherworld II [Concluded]

[Winston Hughes]

Alright, I'm not a total -derogatory term for inexperienced player- where mafia games are concerned. But I am used to games where use of the term 'WIFOM' does not count as a substitute for addressing someone's argument.

Put simply, Thermal Mercury gave two reasons why I might be suspected of being a killer, and I addressed both of those points on their own terms, attempting to show that, in each case, the alternative was more likely to be true. The point wasn't to prove my innocence, just to show that the arguments against me were rubbish.

[Diamondeye]

Lynch me, I'm the Mafia!

[Seon]

Unvote: DIamondeye

Vote: Tincow cause he has a redskin, a goatee, and 2 growths in his head.

[Yaropolk]

Unvote: ATPG Vote:Tincow because the only people worth lynching more than Sassaki are Sassaki sympathizers.

[Joooray]

Just wanted to let you guys know that I won't have Internet until Monday, gotta work. Sorry.

[Beskar]

I have never trusted you, Baker-boy and I will never trust you too!

[Beskar]

Alright, I'm not a total -derogatory term for inexperienced player- where mafia games are concerned.

It isn't a total-derogatory term at all, everyone is a newbie at one point or another.

The derogatory version is "n00b" because it isn't whether or not they are actually new, it is because they are really bad at it and it isn't from lack of practise either.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Random vote AVSM

You'd like us to think that, wouldn't you.

[seireikhaan]

Tally:

TinCow 6(Yaropolk, Seon, Thermal Mercury, Chaotix, Cultured Drizzt fan, Andres)
GH 3(ATPG, YLC, Diamondeye)
Beskar 2(GH, Winston Hughes)
Diamondeye 2(Diamondeye, Joooray)
Winston Hughes 2(Beefy187, johnhughthom)
Splitpersonality 1(ACIN)
Csargo 1(Sprig)
Sprig 1(pevergreen)
Joooray 1(scottishranger)
YLC 1(TinCow)
Double A 1(Peasant Phill)
Scienter 1(Sigurd)
Chaotix 1(splitpersonality)



A few reminders, folks:

1) You MUST unvote a previous vote to reissue it. I'm a stickler for things like that.

2) If the players would help keep a tally, that would be awesome for my benefit.

3) You may NOT vote for the dead.

There's still over 24 hours of discussion left. Good, if contentious, discussion.

[Sigurd]

unvote: Scienter, vote: Yaropolk for spelling Sasaki with three s's.

And Sasaki.. Not two but three murders.

[Sigurd]

I just edited my vote post....

unvote: Scienter, vote Yaropolk for the reasons stated in my previous post.

[Diamondeye]

Did I vote for myself?

[seireikhaan]

Did I vote for myself?

Probably not. Lemme dig back through.

[Beefy187]

Surely a noob (such as myself) would go for the more visible (and obviously experienced) people, like ATPG or GH, rather than people who rarely post. More vocal and experienced mafiosi, on the other hand, might have a good reason for taking out quiet ones, since killing other vocal and experienced players would lead to the question of why they hadn't been targeted themselves.

And as for Khazaar, it's true that I have voted for him repeatedly in another game. But for that very reason, if I were a villain here, it would seem very foolish to kill Khazaar on the first night, since (as has indeed come to pass) it would seem likely to draw unnecessary attention to me.

This post is full of WIFOM. And its not the kind of the defense you would want to use on day 1.

[Seon]

This post is full of WIFOM. And its not the kind of the defense you would want to use on day 1.

Ah but maybe he wants to exploit the sentiment that he is a noobie looking (he is not) to use the WIFOM technique to summon suspiscion against himself while at the same time using the sentiment that mafioso players don't use WIFOMS on the first day to rid himself of suspiscion at the same time.

Edit: Now if that thing made any sort of sense, contact me. I promise not to tell anyone else that you are Cthulhu.

[TinCow]

6 votes? Seriously? Have you no shame, gentlemen?

[Splitpersonality]

6 votes? Seriously? Have you no shame, gentlemen?

Unvote:Chaotix

Vote: Tincow

Does that make things better?

[Thermal]

6 votes? Seriously? Have you no shame, gentlemen?

I don't I didn't even know anyone else has voted for you when I did.

[Chaotix]

........Or perhaps, WIFOM is the only defense anyone can really use on Day 1, short of role reveal. Think about it. There are no night actions to speak of that one can account for, no previous-round votes that one can cite as evidence. Nothing can be used to make a case, convoluted as it might be, except for the previous night's kills and behavior during this round.

It is nearly pointless to make any sort of serious case on someone in the first round. It is more pointless for anyone to defend themselves in the first round. Were I accused and bandwagoned this round, my response would probably be something akin to "I don't care, lynch me if you want, but this is the first round, you have no evidence, and it will be a waste."

And that will, more likely than not, get me off the hook for that round, town or not.

[Chaotix]

Actually, you know what, I think we lynched TinCow first round in some other game recently, too. Despite the fact that he is mafia, we have all game to lynch him, and it would be a shame to do so this soon.

Unvote, Vote: split

May as well knock out one of his mindslaves.

[Beskar]

It is nearly pointless to make any sort of serious case on someone in the first round. It is more pointless for anyone to defend themselves in the first round. Were I accused and bandwagoned this round, my response would probably be something akin to "I don't care, lynch me if you want, but this is the first round, you have no evidence, and it will be a waste."

AKA, a touchy Mafia.

[Splitpersonality]

May as well knock out one of his mindslaves.

I prefer the term "highly valued yet superfluous, sycophant" thank you very much.

[ULC]

I prefer the term "highly valued yet superfluous, sycophant" thank you very much.

I thought you were beautiful as well? Or are we just devaluing ourselves now?

[Splitpersonality]

I thought you were beautiful as well? Or are we just devaluing ourselves now?

For your information I am the prettiest guy on all of the forums...

but that is my title as Tincow's official mafia recruitment buddy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I prefer the term "highly valued yet superfluous, sycophant" thank you very much.

I prefer the term "enthusiastically servile glutton for pain and punishment"

[Splitpersonality]

I prefer the term "enthusiastically servile glutton for pain and punishment"

You're naughty ATPG

You want me to be your peon too?

[Beefy187]

........Or perhaps, WIFOM is the only defense anyone can really use on Day 1

You could ignore or make a joke about it. Otherwise there won't be any proper cases for people to vote for.

Denying it and denying it hard just makes it look really suspicious.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote: Scienter, vote: Yaropolk for spelling Sasaki with three s's.

And Sasaki.. Not two but three murders.

My bad. I should have read the write up more carefully.


Unvote:white_eyes, vote:Beskar -->claimed to be mafia, as shown by DE's quote.

[Captain C]

Vote: Seon.


He put a bandwagon vote on Diamond Eyes when he had the most votes then switched it to TinCow when TinCow got more votes.

[Winston Hughes]

........Or perhaps, WIFOM is the only defense anyone can really use on Day 1, short of role reveal.

Exactly. And since I don't have a role to reveal...

Also, I do think there's a tendency to assume that just because something could, theoretically, be a bluff, that there's no point even considering the case being made. Instead, it just gets chalked up as 'WIFOM', and the inherent plausibility of the statements are left untested.

It is nearly pointless to make any sort of serious case on someone in the first round. It is more pointless for anyone to defend themselves in the first round. Were I accused and bandwagoned this round, my response would probably be something akin to "I don't care, lynch me if you want, but this is the first round, you have no evidence, and it will be a waste."

And that will, more likely than not, get me off the hook for that round, town or not.

Which is precisely the problem: doing nothing is nearly always better than doing anything. Even if someone brings out a half-decent accusation against you, as a mafia, you're better off ignoring or dismissing it, rather than addressing it in any way. The result is that the mafia get an easy ride, because no-one is expected to defend themselves, and anyone who does is an automatic suspect.

Of course, I was fully aware of all this before starting my defence. Make of that what you will.

Oh, and since I messed up before: unvote: Beskar, vote: GeneralHankerchief