Netherworld II [Concluded]

[ULC]

Agreed^

Unvote:TC, Vote:Csargo

[Csargo]

I concur.

Unvote: GH, Vote: Csargo

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Johnhughthom

I'm not a fan of the Csargo lynch, actually. (He's my mafia partner) How about someone else? I feel JHT deserves some scrutiny.

[johnhughthom]

Scrutinise away, my lack of imagination makes it difficult for me to get involved fully in a game where I don't receive a role pm, hence my level of input.

[Csargo]

unvote, vote: Johnhughthom

I'm not a fan of the Csargo lynch, actually. (He's my mafia partner) How about someone else? I feel JHT deserves some scrutiny.

Way to spill the beans.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Scrutinise away, my lack of imagination makes it difficult for me to get involved fully in a game where I don't receive a role pm, hence my level of input.

If the only people who are active and engaged in the thread are people with pro-town roles, then there is no cover for them to hide in, and they have to lead the effort themselves. Basic townies are the backbone of the entire town effort. They are often the most important role. Think of them as the bodyguards of the President, they take a bullet for the important people. But if they don't take on some kind of leadership role (even if it is just the blind leading the blind) then the only people leading will be the people we don't want killed off at night. And, the mafia will be able to easily blend in, and only show up when they need to nudge us in the wrong direction. Some of my better picks and better tactics have been executed when I was a basic townie. It gives me the freedom to be extra accusatory, even when it will result in my death when I am wrong.

One tactic the townsfolk might use is to lynch the person who first accused the person who gets lynched, thus the only lynches will be done by actual townsfolk, and the mafia might be too timid to accuse someone. That should shut them up or at least put them in danger when they make their scummy accusations.

I would offer more, but I don't want to come off sounding like I think I know it all; I just mean to say, we HAVE to be creative as basic townies, and we have to get engaged and we absolutely MUST pay attention and be involved, or else what happens is... we are easily manipulated, our lynches are much worse, and we eventually lose the game.

These first few round lynches aren't throwaway lynches, these are our safest lynches. There's enough people where we can easily bandwagon and smash a mafia to death, and also easily change our mind when we are wrong, and if we are wrong, it isn't the end of the game. This is where we have to be both creative and aggressive, in my opinion.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I agree with YLC and the others on this. vote: Tincow

unvote, vote: woad&fangs

Fine, how about this one?

Vote tinCow

Claiming to be pro-town pretty much sealed your death. Why would the mafia even risk letting a strong pro town force live.

This is a no brainer. (and if we're wrong than you have noone else to blame but your own tactics.)

I also like this one.






Here's a tally, since no one else wants to do one.

ATPG: 8/9 (Kralizec, TinCow, (Beefy187 did not unvote WH), Chaotix, Yaropolk, Double A, GH, pevergreen, johnhughthom, CCRunner)
TinCow: 3 (woad&fangs, Thermal Mercury, Peasant Phill)
Csargo: 3 (Diamondeye, YLC, Csargo)
woad&fangs: 1 (Askthepizzaguy)
Yaropolk: 1 (CDF)
Johnhughthom: 1 (Winston Hughes)
Winston Hughes: 1/0 (Beefy187 did not unvote WH)

Diamondeye: 1 (Centurion1)

CCRunner: 1 (Sasaki Kojiro)




Abstain: 1 (Captain Blackadder)

[Csargo]

Unvote:Csargo, Vote:TinCow

I don't believe it.

[Andres]

Convenient of you to ignore the fact that in Netherworld I there were TWO investigators.

There have been more than 2 kills, investigators could be dead already. Not very likely, but it's possible.

A detective for a mafia is usually seen as a good trade, so if TC doesn't get lynched, the investigator will come forward next round to make us lynch TC.

Since it's unlikely that the investigators are dead, I'm inclined to let TC off the hook.

What role could I possibly claim that would be believed by you? Seriously. After this many games with me, you actually think me posting a role reveal will convince you one way or another?

Fair enough.

Vote : CCrunner

[TinCow]

Guess again. What's even funnier is that I will not die when you lynch me. So, this is effectively a wasted round, but please, continue voting for me so I can prove it.

Yes, I am a townie.

You're a townie but immune to lynching? Seems like a contradiction to me, since townies don't get role PMs.

[Scienter]

Guess again. What's even funnier is that I will not die when you lynch me. So, this is effectively a wasted round, but please, continue voting for me so I can prove it.

Yes, I am a townie.

This oughta be interesting. Vote:APTG

[Andres]

This oughta be interesting. Vote:APTG

Apart from the interesting ATPG experiment which didn't really need an additional vote, what is your take on the game so far?

[Sigurd]

I am curious about this experiment... or the "Save TinCow" movement.

vote: ATPG

[ULC]

Oi vey, what a mess this place has become in just such small time.

[Beskar]

unvote; vote: Csargo

For acting weird, voting and unvoting himself, amongst other things.

[Andres]

unvote; vote: Csargo

For acting weird, voting and unvoting himself, amongst other things.

That's not unusual for Csar

[Beskar]

True, but I already commented earlier, I would laugh if TinCow surrived this round. So I can't really vote for him as I was curious to see how far he would have gone. I also tend not to vote ATPG in any games unless I am confirmed of his guilt, especially in the first couple of rounds, because everynow and then, everyone makes him the first lynch target in numerous games and it really hurts his feelings.

It just simply left Csargo as the choice.

[johnhughthom]

and it really hurts his feelings.

Somehow I think the pizzaman is made of sterner stuff than that.

[Andres]

True, but I already commented earlier, I would laugh if TinCow surrived this round. So I can't really vote for him as I was curious to see how far he would have gone. I also tend not to vote ATPG in any games unless I am confirmed of his guilt, especially in the first couple of rounds, because everynow and then, everyone makes him the first lynch target in numerous games and it really hurts his feelings.

It just simply left Csargo as the choice.

So, you basically vote Csargo because you don't want to vote TinCow or ATPG?

That's strange. I was under the impression there were still about more than 30 or so players alive.

So, why would Csargo, ATPG or TinCow be the only ones you can vote for?

[Scienter]

Apart from the interesting ATPG experiment which didn't really need an additional vote, what is your take on the game so far?

I'm still trying to figure out what the is going on. It seems like if a person is a townie w/ no additional role, then there isn't really much for them to talk about. Assuming that only a handful of people have additional roles (mafia, etc)., then the majority of people talking are bs-ing. So, I think that when people post PMs, they could just be making it all up and no one is really trustworthy. I think it's partially because I don't 'know' anyone on here except for TinCow, so I don't know peoples' history playing mafia games.

[Beskar]

I can, but Csargo seemed scummiest and better than Abstaining.

[Andres]

I'm still trying to figure out what the is going on. It seems like if a person is a townie w/ no additional role, then there isn't really much for them to talk about. Assuming that only a handful of people have additional roles (mafia, etc)., then the majority of people talking are *abbreviation for naughty word for bovine excrements*ing. So, I think that when people post PMs, they could just be making it all up and no one is really trustworthy. I think it's partially because I don't 'know' anyone on here except for TinCow, so I don't know peoples' history playing mafia games.

Fair enough.

The first few rounds are usually voting ad random and trying to find a decent reason to vote someone, so usually you end up lynching townies.

However, there are some "signs" to spot mafia.

Posts who are sounding neutral or seem to be very careful (or not willing) to take a clear position, are usually seen as "scummy" and could be a sign of being mafia.

Sometimes the reasons for voting someone seem "serious" but when taking a close look, too fabricated or inconsistent or contain logical fallacies. Such posts could also be a sign of being mafia.

And then you have "gut feelings" or voting on "a hunch". Usually, those feelings are wrong, but some people have been pretty succesful in finding mafia voting on nothing more than "a hunch" or "a gut feeling". Sometimes a post seems off, but you can't really seem to define it.

In the end, it's much guessing and there is a serious luck factor involved, but it's not all randomness and being lucky.

Just participate and voice your opinion on things to get the hang of it.

Posting generates discussion which can be analysed later in the game. Anaylising first round discussions later in the game can be useful, as sometimes mafia members are a bit careless in the first rounds. Try to get everybody to talk; it is material that could be used in a later stage of the game.

Don't hesitate to be aggressive or to accuse/be aggressive against some random player to make him talk. His/her reaction can be analysed later.

[Thermal]

unvote, vote: ccrunner

[Winston Hughes]

It seems like if a person is a townie w/ no additional role, then there isn't really much for them to talk about.

In which case they should go about making wild, unsubstantiated accusations. Or defending themselves against other people's wild, unsubstatiated accusations. Then, if no-one who's talking sounds especially guilty, you lynch someone who's being quiet.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're a townie but immune to lynching? Seems like a contradiction to me, since townies don't get role PMs.

Then, like David Blaine before me, I must use my powers of endurance to convince you.

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Last chance to not waste this round, fellows. I suppose the policy is, whenever Pizzaguy claims something, you must call him on it? That explains a lot. I am so tempted to mess with you, but I'd prefer to just try one last time to nudge you in the direction of lynching someone.

And Scienter: If it were anyone but me and a handful of others, my aggressive attempts to destroy TinCow could be seen as an indication that we are not on the same mafia team, if either of us were mafia. It's not much data, and it isn't 100% reliable, but this early in the game, most people would be really pissed off if their mafia partner ACTUALLY tried to destroy them. If we're on the same townie team, it could be an indication that Askthepizzaguy's scumdar isn't working properly, and he accused TinCow and will regret it later, but in his defense, TinCow was doing an excellent job attracting attention to himself...

and it really hurts his feelings.

Not unless it becomes a habit, and at that point, people would be admitting I am the most dangerous man alive, so I guess it would be a bizarre compliment.

[TinCow]

Then, like David Blaine before me, I must use my powers of endurance to convince you.

My point is that if a player is a townie, that person doesn't receive a role PM. If a person doesn't have a role PM, they cannot know that they have a specific power. Therefore, since you claim to have a power, you must have gotten a role PM. Thus, since you claim to have a role PM you cannot be a townie. Yet you specifically said you were a townie; if you survive this lynching, it will be conclusive proof that you lied.

TinCow was doing an excellent job attracting attention to himself...

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My point is that if a player is a townie, that person doesn't receive a role PM. If a person doesn't have a role PM, they cannot know that they have a specific power. Therefore, since you claim to have a power, you must have gotten a role PM. Thus, since you claim to have a role PM you cannot be a townie. Yet you specifically said you were a townie; if you survive this lynching, it will be conclusive proof that you lied.

It is a very well-built argument, situated on top of quicksand.

[seireikhaan]

Apologies, got tied up a bit unexpectedly. The round, as promised, ended two and one half hours ago. Thermal Mercury's vote change did not count. Time to tally, and I'll announce the lynch.

edit: Night's begun, please send in orders. I'll allot 24 hours from the lynch-mark(aka two and one half hours ago).

[seireikhaan]

Governor-General Yasei brought a second scribe with him when he heard there were more brutaliities. Indeed, upon his entrance to the main hall, he needn't even request for the presence of the encampment. They were clearly all the eager to continue their attempted extermination. The time quickly wheeled by, as the accusations rotated from player to player. Eventually, one by the name of ser Askthepizzaguy had achieved what was clearly the largest base of hostility. A couple guards kicked him to his knees, then dragging him before Yasei.

"Is this the one you wish to lynch?!" Yasei asked of the crowd.

"Yes, lynch him, lynch him! We do not want him!"

"Very well..." His grabbed the sword presented to him by one of the guards. "Well, do you have anything you wish to say?" he requested of the one thrown before him. "I do not wish to kill you."

"One such as you cannot kill me," Askthepizzaguy stated to his executioner. Raising an eyebrow at the impertinence of such a proclamation, Yasei gripped the hilt of his sword with his second hand, and brought it down upon exposed neck. Askthepizzaguy's head was sliced cleanly off, and the body collapsed in a heap upon the floor.

"Right, clean the mess up," Yasei told the guards. Turning to the crowd once more, Yasei exclaimed "We have not won yet! Be wary, be vigilant! Now back to your posts!"




ATPG: 10 (Scienter, Sigurd, Kralizec, TinCow, Chaotix, Yaropolk, Double A, GH, pevergreen, johnhughthom, CCRunner)
TinCow: 4 (woad&fangs, Thermal Mercury, Peasant Phill)
Csargo: 2 (Diamondeye, YLC, Beskar)
CCRunner: 2 (Andres, Sasaki Kojiro)
woad&fangs: 1 (Askthepizzaguy)
Yaropolk: 1(CDF)
Johnhughthom: 1 (Winston Hughes)
Winston Hughes: 1 (Beefy187)
Diamondeye: 1 (Centurion1)
CCRunner: 2 (Andres, Sasaki Kojiro)

Abstain: 1 (Captain Blackadder)
Not Voting: A1_Unit, Acin, Atheotes, Joooray, Psychonaut, scottishranger, Sprig, Yaropolk


Alive: 32

A1_Unit
A completely inoffensive name
Andres
Atheotes
Beefy187
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
CCRunner
Centurion1
Chaotix
Csargo
Cultured Drizzt fan
Diamondeye
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
johnhugthom
Jooray
Kralizec
Peasant Phill
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Sasaki Kojiro
scottishranger
Scienter
Sigurd
Sprig
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
Winston Hughes
woad&fangs
Yaropolk
YLC


Slain: 6

A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)



Lynched: 2

Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)



PLEASE SEND IN NIGHT ORDERS. YOU HAVE 21 HOURS TO DO SO!

[TinCow]

Then, like David Blaine before me, I must use my powers of endurance to convince you.

For David Blaine's sake, I hope he's more successful than you during his next spectacle.