Netherworld II [Concluded]

[Andres]

You're getting a lot of mafia roles lately Andres.

Yeah, it's always all or nothing, so it seems.

Sometimes it takes months before I ever get a role other than townie, and then suddenly you find yourself in a position of "A mafia role? Oh no, not again."

[Sigurd]

*victory sign*

Our plan became quite close to reality. Had Double A voted as he was meant to after me buttering his back for several rounds it would have been hole in one.

I initially chose YLC for his amazing powers, but unfortunate and yet fortunate events let to TinCow and YLC being expelled from the game. I was granted a new choice of recruitment for the troubles. I chose Andres because he was to me the most difficult adversary of the remaining players. From that time on - we got to work and planned the game as a chess match.
It amazingly got very close to what we had planned with the only exception of the candidates in the last lynch not being Psychonaut and Joooray and Double A not putting the deciding vote that would have doomed the town.

[Andres]

Joooray could not self protect. I believe that is what we call a bluff.

Ha! I knew it!

My kill order for Joooray:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

To clarify the writeup, Sigurd passed his power into you, his prophet. You may still kill tonight.

Hmmm...

Joooray is able to protect right?

He claims he can protect himself.

If he does protect himself, he won't know who attacked him. If he protects Double A and I would attack Double A, then he knows for sure it's me.

So, if I attack Double A, I run the risk of revealing myself. That and the fact that it is very uncommon for a doctor role to be able to protect himself, so he could as well be bluffing.

Kill : Joooray.

I'll kill him by using my voice and eloquent talents. He will listen to me and be hypnotised by my voice. I will convince him that he has to stab himself to dead in order to save us all. He will happily oblige, convinced that he's doing the right thing. Only at the very last moment, he'll understand and will see the reality.

Great game, 'khaan. Thanks for hosting

And thank you Sigurd, for picking me as your recruit. It was a great experience working with you. Your calculation, planning, plotting, discussing how to manipulate the town, etc. It was all great fun

And of course, a nod to our worthy adversaries

For a moment I thought we would fail miserably, since so many players named Sigurd and me as mafia partners, but somehow, we managed to get through, resulting in a difficult, close and therefore very satisfying victory.

[Joooray]

So what do you we learn from this experience? killing lurkers! Kill the mods! They are always out to get us.

No hard feelings, it was a fun game, especially the end. Always a pleasure to play the game against such experienced players.
And I knew my bluff was not that likely to succeed.

I'm just very embarrassed about my choice of protection. Than again, maybe I wouldn't have survived that long if it would have been obvious the protector was still alive.

[CCRunner]

Oh well then, I was sort of hoping that Psychonaut could pull it off in the end, despite my rather poor play at the begining. Good game guys.

Also, that 'compelled to kill' thing isn't true, don't know if you guys eventually figured that out.

[TinCow]

Hmmm... 'khaan, why was the recruitment not announced in the write-ups? I was sitting around wondering why Sigurd hadn't recruited again after YLC was lost...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm going to toot my own horn here, on the hope that people will blindly follow my lead next time I'm mafia:

Sigurd is my recommendation.

Especially when mafia.

Not addressing any of the votes on him is typical cagey Sigurd response. Little good would come of it and it just lends a bit of credence. As townie he is more likely to defend himself.

I second that motion. So Unvote : johnhughtom ; Vote: Beskar.

I strongly urge everybody who is town to change there vote from Sigurd, he is has been cleared of being Lamia by TC in a previous night. I can not assure you that Beskar is indeed mafia, but Sigurd most likely is not.

Maybe psychonaut should be the next to go, that's two scummy posts this round.

Psychonaut is not Lamia. I cannot comment on whether he is a role beyond that, but he is definitely not Lamia. YLC targeted him on a night when Lamia was active, and Lamia did not appear in an illusion.

Do we still have to lynch hades?

This is just from one round of play of course

[Chaotix]

Good game, and congrats to Sigurd and Andres!

For me, this will probably be the game that I look back on with the thoughts, "I hate the way the town works."

I'm still interested in whatever it was that got TinCow and YLC WoK'd, if you're willing to share.

-EDIT:

To Sasaki: Unfortunately, you weren't the one who suggested that Sigurd and Andres were probably mafia partners. Towards the end of the game, it was becoming really obvious to the objective onlooker.

[atheotes]

Good game, and congrats to Sigurd and Andres!
Excellent game Khaan though i am not a big fan of emergent mafia. it is just too easy for them on most occasions and the starting mafia are always up against it.

we did feel handicapped with just the 2 kills between us... more so because we had 5 pro-town roles and YLC who went pro-town. too stacked against us
well played to Beskar and Diamondeye as well. Unfortunate that White_eyes got killed N1. Most of our communication was through PMs and we did predict very early that the emergent mafia will win this game.

on the Hades role - it might have been me who threw that into the town's thoughts after being cornered by YLC and TinCow. I tried my best to create a role and it did get me one extra night kill. so it was not a total failure.

[Diamondeye]

I concur. Atheotes, Beskar, well played team. White_Eyes, we were sad to lose you that early, it was definitely detrimental to our team.

And what did we say about Andres!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Excellent game khaan, and I'll take that apology any time now, everyone.

[Beskar]

Excellent game khaan, and I'll take that apology any time now, everyone.

What apology? I killed you to save my scum-buddy.

[johnhughthom]

Well played Sigurd/Andres.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Excellent game khaan, and I'll take that apology any time now, everyone.

Yes, whatever happened to the GH-Sasaki-Chaotix-Winston scum group, I don't see any mention of them in the writeup

[seireikhaan]

Hmmm... 'khaan, why was the recruitment not announced in the write-ups? I was sitting around wondering why Sigurd hadn't recruited again after YLC was lost...

I did that because I never revealed YLC to be the original prophet. After his unfortunate stunt, I deemed that he would not be recognized as the prophet when he was lynched. Since I did not recognize him as prophet, I assumed it would create undue confusion to narrate a second conversion. I felt that townspeople would think there were actually two prophets + recruiter, which would have been incorrect.

[ULC]

Good game, and congrats to Sigurd and Andres!

For me, this will probably be the game that I look back on with the thoughts, "I hate the way the town works."

I'm still interested in whatever it was that got TinCow and YLC WoK'd, if you're willing to share.

-EDIT:

To Sasaki: Unfortunately, you weren't the one who suggested that Sigurd and Andres were probably mafia partners. Towards the end of the game, it was becoming really obvious to the objective onlooker.

I think since I am the cause of it, I should answer it. Sigurd converted me, and in response, I revealed him to TC and gave TC all of Sigurds investigation results. Part of it was waking up in the morning and finding out that I would suddenly have to go against and betray the town I had worked hard for, and the other half was some dim hope that with Sigurd dying I'd revert back to my normal alignment.

The conversion had quickly put a bitterness in mouth, not because I'd lose if Sigurd did, or that I had to be lynched, as I accepted that a while ago when I started working with TC, but that I had chosen, without need, to be protown, and that I wanted to stick to my guns, because I believe in the apathy of the town for the most part, and that my goals and my chosen ally were subverted.

That doesn't condone my actions, but it was how I felt in the moment. I know now I should have simply asked to have been replaced.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It's true, that's always a risk with recruitment roles. The capo system is better I think, or at least giving the person the option of refusing, even if it comes with a penalty.

[Beskar]

Unfortunately, not only providing a hit against Sigurd and TinCow (+ town), is how the actions also hit the mafia, as I wasn't even a suspect.

[Captain Blackadder]

Unfortunately, not only providing a hit against Sigurd and TinCow (+ town), is how the actions also hit the mafia, as I wasn't even a suspect.

Dang you Beskar I was so hoping to get through the game longer with a pro town role that looked evil I was planning to be like the four horseman from the pirates game and use random org to kill someone every night. How on earth did you pick me as a pro town role hiding?

[Beskar]

Dang you Beskar I was so hoping to get through the game longer with a pro town role that looked evil I was planning to be like the four horseman from the pirates game and use random org to kill someone every night. How on earth did you pick me as a pro town role hiding?

Gut feeling, I will have to relook at it to tell you what things triggered my scumdar.

[Sigurd]

Unfortunately, not only providing a hit against Sigurd and TinCow (+ town), is how the actions also hit the mafia, as I wasn't even a suspect.

As I said... you were investigated round 2. I was just sitting on the info. My team would have known your true colours whoever was picked as prophet.
Too bad YLC felt the way he did. He would have continued in a double role, working for the town until the end game and I would have let him and maybe joined them as an investigator.
I could have recruited TinCow... The whole event did put me in a better position for the endgame, but I had no idea of how many players YLC had contacted.
I suspected those who named me as Mafia - to have received some behind the lines info.
But it makes for a funner game to be the prime suspect and manage to haul in the victory anyway.

It doesn't matter how many "I told you so" are presented afterwards. You had no power to influence the town and I could just salute you while coasting to the finish line.
It no longer satisfies to be unknown until the very last writeup. You need to live on the edge, being exposed and then win. Very satisfactory.
My best performance (most satisfactory) was as the Chinese Godfather in Sasaki's "Wanna have more mafia" [sic] Crazed Rabbit knew who I was and tried again and again to get the town to lynch me, but I managed to talk them out of it and I can't remember if I even voted in the last round. I got the town to vote according to my interests and it was Reenk Roink who put the deciding vote.
It was a strange emotion that came to me - like a victory intoxication but at the same time being tainted with a feeling of being a criminal. The lies and manipulations was not something I had done before in RL or in games and I felt a little "dirty". This has now waned and although I still get the victory boost, the taint is not there.

[Beefy187]

What? Andres? Again?

Good game Khaan

[Yaropolk]

Fyi I killed white eyes, then protected TC for the rest of my living rounds. Mafia - what triggered you to kill me?

[naut]

It was a strange emotion that came to me - like a victory intoxication but at the same time being tainted with a feeling of being a criminal. The lies and manipulations was not something I had done before in RL or in games and I felt a little "dirty".

That's exactly how I felt during Family Guy Mafia. I don't make a good Mafia member, I feel guilty trying to win.

[Joooray]

This has now waned and although I still get the victory boost, the taint is not there.

Oh, you should feel tainted alright, after what you did those last rounds. Fooling me like that, not nice at all.

Fyi I killed white eyes, then protected TC for the rest of my living rounds. Mafia - what triggered you to kill me?

Where you in contact with TC then? Because I was protecting him most of the time as well and if I'd known about you, I could have protected you instead.

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Anyway, very good game, Yasei. Thank you for hosting it. I had a lot of fun and hope there will be another installment as the setting is very original and intriguing to follow.
And thanks to all the players for making this worthwhile.

[Yaropolk]

I was in touch with him but didnt tell him my role. I planned to reveal to him once I saw him in the writeup, unfortunately i also died the same night as he was confirmed.

[ULC]

Too bad YLC felt the way he did. He would have continued in a double role, working for the town until the end game and I would have let him and maybe joined them as an investigator.

It was a strange emotion that came to me - like a victory intoxication but at the same time being tainted with a feeling of being a criminal. The lies and manipulations was not something I had done before in RL or in games and I felt a little "dirty". This has now waned and although I still get the victory boost, the taint is not there.

These two sets of sentences paraphrase how I feel as a mafioso. Even when mafia, have have a large nuetral/serial killer streak, because I can be true to myself then. Take any game where I have been, for the most part mafia - which is about 3 games. Each time I insistently worked alone, and when I did I tried to be really helpful to the town, such as ATPG Treehouse of Horror game.

May be I haven't been mafia enough to NOT be a thorough townie, but I don't think so. I think I am just not cut out to be a mafioso. In any case, I think this is a bit of karma for Capo III