Changing Camillan Principes
Hi all,
I want to remove the pilum from the Camillan Principes but i've got a few questions.
As i'm allmost a complete moddingnoob..
Will removing the pilum from these early principes this have any effect on their Polybian counterparts??
How do i actually do this??
Is this save game compatible??
Thanks
DH
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Campaigns completed: Vanilla Seleucid, EB 1.2. Carthaginian, RSII Pergamon
Re: Changing Camillan Principes
Just change some thingies in the EDU, and this IS save game compitable AFAIK.Originally Posted by Dutchhoplite
Hi all,
I want to remove the pilum from the Camillan Principes but i've got a few questions.
As i'm allmost a complete moddingnoob..
Will removing the pilum from these early principes this have any effect on their Polybian counterparts??
How do i actually do this??
Is this save game compatible??
Thanks
DH
"When the candles are out all women are fair."
-Plutarch, Coniugia Praecepta 46
Re: Changing Camillan Principes
Dropping the attack values of the pilum to 0 might do the trick, not quite sure though. In any case (most) EDU changes are savegame compatible.
BTW, may I wonder as to the "why" ?
"Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."
-Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Re: Changing Camillan Principes
Well, its debatable and it "could" be a mistake but in his description of the battle of Beneventum Dionysius of Halicarnassus describes Roman Principes using thrusting spears like the hasta. This "could" mean they had not yet converted to the pilum and were in some sort of transitionory phase.
Like i said, it's debatable but worth a try ;)
Last edited by Dutchhoplite; 12-30-2009 at 19:59.
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Re: Changing Camillan Principes
...don't Camillian Principes use spears for melee though...?
"Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."
-Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Re: Changing Camillan Principes
The issue is that the quote (a fragment) indicates the principes are wielding their spears two-handed, so carrying javelins would be a problem:
Those who fight in close combat with cavalry spears grasped by the middle with both hands and who usually save the day in battles are called principes by the Romans.
- Dionysios of Halikarnassos, 20.11
It's difficult to know what to make of this passage, and there are indications that it's a late insertion.
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Re: Changing Camillan Principes
It would also preclude the use of shields which makes even less sense, and basically comes across as having been pulled wholesale out of someone's derriere. Or a case of Lost In Translation and what have you.
"Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."
-Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Re: Changing Camillan Principes
Addendum: given that the javelins would in any case be thrown before contact, until which even a pike can be and usually is carried one-handed...
"Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."
-Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Re: Changing Camillan Principes
Yes, it looks like a mess but i still would like to use them i a transitionory way...
And i don't think this change is per se ahistorical. It's not like i want to give them uzi's ;)
Last edited by Dutchhoplite; 12-31-2009 at 09:33.
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Re: Changing Camillan Principes
If i change this:
Code:;248 type roman infantry principes early dictionary roman_infantry_principes_early ; Principes category infantry class heavy voice_type General_1 soldier roman_infantry_principesearly, 40, 0, 1.15 officer ebofficer_roman_early_centurion officer ebofficer_roman_early_standard mount_effect chariot +2 attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, hardy formation 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, square stat_health 1, 1 stat_pri 4, 4, pilum, 35, 2, thrown, blade, piercing, spear, 15 ,1 stat_pri_attr prec, thrown, ap stat_sec 14, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13 stat_sec_attr light_spear stat_pri_armour 9, 9, 4, flesh stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh stat_heat 2 stat_ground 0, 0, -1, -3 stat_mental 13, disciplined, highly_trained stat_charge_dist 30 stat_fire_delay 0 stat_food 60, 300 stat_cost 1, 1046, 262, 50, 80, 1046 ownership seleucid, slave
Into this:
Would that do the trick??Code:;248 type roman infantry principes early dictionary roman_infantry_principes_early ; Principes category infantry class heavy voice_type General_1 soldier roman_infantry_principesearly, 40, 0, 1.15 officer ebofficer_roman_early_centurion officer ebofficer_roman_early_standard mount_effect chariot +2 attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, hardy formation 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, square stat_health 1, 1 stat_pri 14, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13 stat_pri_attr light_spear stat_sec 14, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13 stat_sec_attr light_spear stat_pri_armour 9, 9, 4, flesh stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh stat_heat 2 stat_ground 0, 0, -1, -3 stat_mental 13, disciplined, highly_trained stat_charge_dist 30 stat_fire_delay 0 stat_food 60, 300 stat_cost 1, 1046, 262, 50, 80, 1046 ownership seleucid, slave
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Campaigns completed: Vanilla Seleucid, EB 1.2. Carthaginian, RSII Pergamon
Re: Changing Camillan Principes
Not really, it'll make them stab the other guy with their pila. Did you try reducing the primary-weapon attack values to 0 ? I was hoping that'd sidestep the throwing-spear being the "primary" weapon on the model...
"Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."
-Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Re: Changing Camillan Principes
Like this?Code:stat_pri 0, 4, pilum, 35, 2, thrown, blade, piercing, spear, 15 ,1 stat_pri_attr prec, thrown, ap
Last edited by Dutchhoplite; 12-31-2009 at 20:37.
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Campaigns completed: Vanilla Seleucid, EB 1.2. Carthaginian, RSII Pergamon
Re: Changing Camillan Principes
Pretty much, though I'd make it like this:Mainly on principle though.Code:stat_pri 0, 0, pilum, 35, 2, thrown, blade, piercing, spear, 15 ,1 stat_pri_attr prec, thrown, ap
Last edited by Watchman; 12-31-2009 at 20:45.
"Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."
-Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Re: Changing Camillan Principes
Thanks, i'll try that ;)
I love the smell of bronze in the morning!
Campaigns completed: Vanilla Seleucid, EB 1.2. Carthaginian, RSII Pergamon
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