Lorica Segmentata

[bobbin]

Just kidding, but my goodness, we know nothing about the british island in 270bc, next to nothing about the sweboz and sauromatae and as far as I know most relicts found in Arabia are younger than 200bc.

Whaaaaat? We know lots about Britain, Germany and the Ukraine in 270bc through that wonderful scientific practice know as Archeology. Most relics in arabia being younger than 200bc? you really need to read some more history books before making such sweeping claims.

[seienchin]

Whaaaaat? We know lots about Britain, Germany and the Ukraine in 270bc through that wonderful scientific practice know as Archeology. Most relics in arabia being younger than 200bc? you really need to read some more history books before making such sweeping claims.

Maybe you should read more about the sources of history books before rejecting my claims.
We dont know anything about weapons or armour used in 270bc in germany and britain and althoug we know a lot about scythian armour we dont know anything provable about their political structure.
Of course about britain and germany we dont know anything either. We already had this britain discussion in EBII forum and one member also said that there we do not know anything about the tribes until ceasars time.
historics tend to construct a lot of theories about the antics and semiprofessionals turn them into "facts" so i guess some should be really carefull to pretend we know something about antic people, esspecially barbarians.

Of course there is archaelogy which gives us a lot of insight about everyday life, art etc, but cultures without written language or stone buildings its still only speculations esspecially about political structures and warfare

[bobbin]

Concerning weapons and armour we know a good deal through archeological finds but yes I do agree when it comes to political structures we really don't know much beyond "the people of this area shared the same culture due to similar burial methods and lifestyle patterns etc".

Saying "we don't know anything" is excessive though, we know a good deal of how people lived from the material culture they left behind in the archeological record, what we know very little of is any political orginisations they lived under hence the problem when trying to transfer to the game world.

Maybe you should read more about the sources of history books before rejecting my claims.

I do and I think you should too before claiming things like "most Arabian relics are from after 200BC", there are entire ruined cities there that are older than that, a pefect example is Ma'rib and its world famous dam which are both far older than that.

[geala]

There are many archeological findings f.e. in middle Europe from the Celtic people in the south and the proto-Germanics in the north and also from the mixture zone in the middle of what is now Germany. Some conclusions from findings to certain social circumstances can be made. The settling structures tell us something about political structures for example. However many questions can not be answered. So you both are correct. About the (proto-)Germanic people we know very little about the military before the 1st c. BC and nearly everything has to be judged from later information.

Compared to this we know nearly everything about the mysterious "lorica segmentata".