Lorica Segmentata

[MerlinusCDXX]

Aw geez, not this **** again.

[Ibrahim]

Aw geez, not this **** again.

I know...I know...

people should read FAQ's for goodness sake, but hey, how many actually do?


anyways; nice sig, but poor grammar: it should be khaleefatu ul-islam (Caliph of islam), or al-khilaafatu ul-islaamiyyatu (the muslim caliphate).

now if you meant: "conflicts of islam", then its "khilafaatu ul-islaami".

[Ludens]

people should read FAQ's for goodness sake, but hey, how many actually do?

He did read the FAQ, but he wanted to suggest a way in which the LS could be included. However, we don't know with what units LS was associated in its early days. Giving it to the "elite" first cohort and praetorian units may not represent the truth. At least one EB member believes that LS was not an improvement, but a cheaper replacement for LH, so you would not expect it on elite units. (And yes, I know this is disputed. We've had discussions on this before: do a forum search if you wish to know more.)

Anyway, the Praetorian cohort was a front-line unit in its early days. I know they campaigned with Germanicus the Younger against Arminius.

[Skullheadhq]

Why not include this as an armorer upgrade, you can change the armor at the armorers right? (dot really know for sure) and then you could make a `late armor` armorer that can only be build from year X and later or something.

[Smeel]

The lorica segmentata were included in a submod in EB1, this will probably be the case for EB2 as well.

And wow, a somewhat civil LS thread. Please don't slaughter newcomers, please.

[Cute Wolf]

Why not include this as an armorer upgrade, you can change the armor at the armorers right? (dot really know for sure) and then you could make a `late armor` armorer that can only be build from year X and later or something.

The OP must read your AAR skull, LS are known to causing nation wide riot in early days

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=124946

And more seriously now, getting LS as an armour upgrade is allready told in long time ago by the EB team, with NO LS as answer...

[Julius Augustus]

I have an idea! You know how in M2TW soldiers within a unit can have different skins? You could have like 6 skins on a cohors preatoriani unit and have one of them be of lorica segmentata. There would be few enough men wearing it to make it historical. You could satiate the lust for LS and still be at least semi accurate.

[Horatius Flaccus]

the team has decided not to include any Lorica Segmentata

So I guess this discussion is pointless.

[Skullheadhq]

semi accurate

... (words are not needed)

[A Very Super Market]

I have an idea! You know how in M2TW soldiers within a unit can have different skins? You could have like 6 skins on a cohors preatoriani unit and have one of them be of lorica segmentata. There would be few enough men wearing it to make it historical. You could satiate the lust for LS and still be at least semi accurate.

I would think the legionaries would be more standardised than that. In any case, the EB team doesn't exactly negotiate on something like this, and this probably isn't the first time this has been proposed

[Ibrahim]

He did read the FAQ, but he wanted to suggest a way in which the LS could be included. However, we don't know with what units LS was associated in its early days. Giving it to the "elite" first cohort and praetorian units may not represent the truth. At least one EB member believes that LS was not an improvement, but a cheaper replacement for LH, so you would not expect it on elite units. (And yes, I know this is disputed. We've had discussions on this before: do a forum search if you wish to know more.)

Anyway, the Praetorian cohort was a front-line unit in its early days. I know they campaigned with Germanicus the Younger against Arminius.

my bad.

well, either way, its more prudent not to have LS if that is the case.

[tarem]

i know about the early apearence of LS, but what about the reasons for it's manufacture? i mean, why were the romans incited to experiment with it? in example, the shape of the scutum varied and changed with the enemies faced, from more oval and curved edges when the romans fought sword equiped infantry, to more square shaped when they engaged missile weapons and spears. but what is the story behind the LS?

[antisocialmunky]

No one knows. Everyone has a different interpretation.

[tarem]

that is problemtic. had we known this we could rationalise it's earlier then in history developement, just as the Marian reforms can be rationalised by sume rushed acheavements (in game). or the way we can explain the reformed phalanx with the growing Roman thrat for the makedones.

[Cyclops]

No one knows. Everyone has a different interpretation.

Yep, like military hardware nowadays, there were prolly contractors, vendors, lobbyists and fanboys raving on about their products, so they may not even have had a consensus back then.

I have to admit harmata always looks a bit gritty (in a cool way, but still shabby), whereas segmentata is marvellous looking which might have helped promote it whether it was a better product or not.