I just witnessed my Hypaspistai crumble from just one charge from these guys... and it wasn't like they were out on their own... I had them on my left flank backed by hellenic heavy spearmen and agrianian assault infantry right behind them and medium phalanx on their right. Just one charge from these guys routed my elites and the only thing that saved them from utter destruction was the spearmen and assault troops behind them... so much for being elite.