Rhodian Slingers and Kretan Archers with Macedone

[Master.Mind]

Hello

I played a campaign with macedone and was just wondering if I could build Rhodian Slingers and Kretan Archers with macedone because the macedonian Archers are pretty bad

[athanaric]

Yes.

Factional MIC 3 for Rhodians, on Rhodos only.
Factional MIC 4 for Kretans, in Kydonia, Antiocheia, and Alexandria.

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

Before that, just take the financial pain, and hire Kretan Archer Mercenaries.

[Master.Mind]

hmm I built all military buildings to their maximum but I still can't see them (government type IV)

p.s I would take the financial pain if I could replace their loses ^^

[Ludens]

hmm I built all military buildings to their maximum but I still can't see them (government type IV)

They may be regional units, but for the Macedones they fall under the factional barracks. The type IV government allows the level 5 regional barracks, but only level 2 factional ones. So you need a type II government for Cretans, and a type II or III for Rodians.

[Master.Mind]

I will trie, thank you for your help

now I have another question which of them is better (against heavy troops) ^^

[Ludens]

now I have another question which of them is better (against heavy troops) ^^

Slingers' projectiles have the AP (armour piercing) attribute: they do better against armoured units than almost any archer. However, well-shielded units and phalangites will still be more resistant to your missiles. Best attack them from the unshielded side or rear.

[Master.Mind]

your answer brings me to another question how can I get those reformed makedonian phalangites?

p.s I will recrute the rhodian slingers, they are not as good as the balearic slingers, but I must take what I can get

[polehammer]

Why not use the normal sphendonetai? They are just as effective against armored units as the rhodian ones, cheaper and easily available. I played two long KH campaigns and did not notice significant differences between the combat effectiveness of the two types (apart from the cost and availability).

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Slingers and archers serve a different purpose. Archers are better against unarmored opponents, whereas slingers are better against armored ones.

The Rhodian Slingers are the best in the game. They are the only ones with a bit of armour. They are the most disciplened too and have the greatest range of every unit in the game iirc.

To get the Makedonian Reformed Phalangitai, you'll have to wait for the March of Time to happen, that means that the Romans build the biggest palace in Capua, Arpi, Ariminum or Arretium.

[Master.Mind]

I fight mostly against heavy armed troops, I had not tought that balearic slingers are less stronger then rhodian ones ( because balearic slingers are much more famous)

[Cute Wolf]

Actually, when you got silver or even gold chevroned poor'lil sphendenotai, which was extremely easy to obtain anyway, you won't need the Rhodian slingers. But Toxotai Kretikoi is another matter, as they are good to hold the line too..

[satalexton]

that's right, toxotai kretikoi are wonderful as both missle troops and tactical reserve, having 2 units of them around really saves up the unit slots for other stuff..

[athanaric]

I fight mostly against heavy armed troops, I had not tought that balearic slingers are less stronger then rhodian ones ( because balearic slingers are much more famous)

It depends. Balearic Slingers have a better attack (highest of all slingers), and an AP sword for melee. They are unarmoured though and their shield doesn't cut it. Rhodian Slingers have higher range (highest of all slingers), more ammo, and better armour. Thus, they are better vs enemies that can shoot back.

Compare:


Balearics:

Attack 3 (AP) -> awesome
Range 175 -> quite good
Ammo 20 -> pretty low
Armour 1/9/1 -> sucks
Morale 11 -> good
Melee Attack 8 (AP)
Melee Lethality 0.11 -> decent


Rhodians:

Attack 2 (AP) -> good
Range 195 -> awesome
Ammo 30 -> good
Armour 4/6/1 -> good
Morale 10
Melee Attack 9
Melee Lethality 0.04 -> sucks

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