The United Kingdom Elections 2010

[Louis VI the Fat]

Whoever wins tomorrow, you can bet that in 2 years time, the rich will have got richer, and the poor will have got poorer.

Britain still has the US and Singapore to overtake! Then it will be the industrial nation with the most uneven income distribution of all!

Income inequality in Britain is now back to the level of the Victorian age. Back, too, is the tendency to blame poverty on a moral deficit of the lower class. Dickens is turning in his grave. Gone too, is social mobility - now the lowest in Europe. The UK is a class society again.

Last year, the richest ten percent of Britons got 30% wealthier. Crisis? What crisis? The largest transfer of money from the poor to the rich since the Industrial Revolution. The bill will still have to be paid, the money has been borrowed by the state. This election is about who is going to pay for it the next few decades: the recipients of the handouts, i.e., Britain's wealthy and the international billionaire club in the City, or Britain's tax paying working classes?


I blame NuLab for not having done more in the past thirteen years for it's natural base: working class Britons. Miss Duffy indeed. But whereas she is 'that bigoted woman' to which Blair and Brown are deaf and blind, the Cons are always worse still. Their philosophy is based on thinking of this woman as morally deficit, inferior. Her little pocket change benefit fraud - barely a fraction of what the rich manage in tax evasions - the cause of Britain's financial woes. A woman not worthy of equal education, nor her children or grandchildren. A woman of another Britain, inferior Briton.

[Furunculus]

lol, i don't recognise that description of the tories.

[Furunculus]

the ten canary seats that will indicate in whose favour the vote surge is going:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/elec...ion-night.html

[Rhyfelwyr]

BNP candidate batters Asians

I think what Griffin said is true, the media are trying to turn the BNP into the axis of evil. Which is pointless and unfair, since they are mostly disaffected Labour voters. Most people I know that support them are old women.

[al Roumi]

BNP candidate batters Asians

I think what Griffin said is true, the media are trying to turn the BNP into the axis of evil. Which is pointless and unfair, since they are mostly disaffected Labour voters. Most people I know that support them are old women.

Eh? What part of being a disaffected labour voter is it that means one is right to vote BNP???

If the BNP were given any power they would only extend the current misery their voters might experience to others, through some appalingly misguided policies that have little or nothing to do with the economic or political interests of the country. How on earth is that a good thing?

[Rhyfelwyr]

Disgusting, both groups of men. Off to gaol with the lot of them.

How so? The Asian guy spat in his face so the BNP guy battered him. Good for him I say, a politician from any other party would no doubt have taken the 'brave and noble' option rofl.

Eh? What part of being a disaffected labour voter is it that means one is right to vote BNP???

If the BNP were given any power they would only extend the current misery their voters might experience to others, through some appalingly misguided policies that have little or nothing to do with the economic or political interests of the country. How on earth is that a good thing?

People want the BNP to be the axis of evil, so they ignore everything to the contrary and demonise BNP supporters so they can make it so in their head. The fact is, the majority of BNP supporters are not the skinhead thugs you want them to be, just ordinary working class folk who don't know muhc about politics and feel cheated by their traditional party of choice.

Do I like the BNP? No. Do I sympathise with the BNP's policies? No. Do I sympathise with the average BNP voter? Yes.

[rory_20_uk]

Prescott anyone? How many times did that obese moron lash out without it being made political?

If someone in th BNP farted whilst facing East that'd make the news as another attack on Islam...

[Furunculus]

How so? The Asian guy spat in his face so the BNP guy battered him. Good for him I say, a politician from any other party would no doubt have taken the 'brave and noble' option rofl.



People want the BNP to be the axis of evil, so they ignore everything to the contrary and demonise BNP supporters so they can make it so in their head. The fact is, the majority of BNP supporters are not the skinhead thugs you want them to be, just ordinary working class folk who don't know muhc about politics and feel cheated by their traditional party of choice.

Do I like the BNP? No. Do I sympathise with the BNP's policies? No. Do I sympathise with the average BNP voter? Yes.

agreed. totally.

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any more seat predictions?

[Louis VI the Fat]

People want the BNP to be the axis of evil, so they ignore everything to the contrary and demonise BNP supporters so they can make it so in their head. The fact is, the majority of BNP supporters are not the skinhead thugs you want them to be, just ordinary working class folk who don't know muhc about politics and feel cheated by their traditional party of choice.

Do I like the BNP? No. Do I sympathise with the BNP's policies? No. Do I sympathise with the average BNP voter? Yes.

Yes, and the majority of Nazis have never killed a Jew with their own hands either.

Nazi thugs they are, the BNP. I, for one, will never ever forgive the BNP / Eriksen for their saying that ´women are like gongs - they need to be struck regularly':

Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal…To suggest that rape, when conducted without violence, is a serious crime is like suggesting force-feeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence.

[al Roumi]

People want the BNP to be the axis of evil, so they ignore everything to the contrary and demonise BNP supporters so they can make it so in their head. The fact is, the majority of BNP supporters are not the skinhead thugs you want them to be, just ordinary working class folk who don't know muhc about politics and feel cheated by their traditional party of choice.

Do I like the BNP? No. Do I sympathise with the BNP's policies? No. Do I sympathise with the average BNP voter? Yes.

Right, so BNP supporters in effect don't know better -i'd agree with that, and extend it to the majority of the electorate (especially as we've not really seen any proposals for dealing with the deficit).

I'm under no illusion that there are misguided people who support the most heinous of proposals without being outright evil, but that is what the whole of politics is about to me: the fight for the minds of voters. For the BNP, that battle is won by convincing people that they are poor because of foreigners and would ergo be better off without them around.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Final prediction from me:

Cons 325
Lab 200
Lib 90

Cons 285
Lab 255
LibDem 85
Furthermore, I also predict the remaining parties will take all remaining seats.

Thank you, Furunculus, for keeping track of our predicitions. Good fun.

BNP candidate batters Asians

Disgusting, both groups of men. Off to gaol with the lot of them.

[Furunculus]

Furthermore, I also predict the remaining parties will take all remaining seats.

Thank you, Furunculus, for keeping track of our predicitions. Good fun.

A very astute observation! :p

My pleasure

[Furunculus]

just louis and I with final day predictions so far, anyone else going to join in with seat predictions for the big three?

[Furunculus]

anyone else going to join the election sweep-stakes:

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JAG (27/02/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2440038

Furunculus (06/05/10) - Narrow Conservative win:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2483692

Furunculus (29/04/10) - Narrow Conservative win:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2459341
Furunculus (29/03/10) - Narrow Conservative win:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2459341

Idaho (16/04/10) - Narrow Labour win:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2471029

Rory (16/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2471056

CountArch (30/04/10) - Conservative led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480544

CountArch (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476911

Banquo's Ghost (29/04/10) - Conservative led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480078

Banquo's Ghost (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476913

Louis (06/05/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2483786

Louis (29/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480070
Louis (23/04/10) - Labour led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476925

Tbilicus (05/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2482362

Tbilicus (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476926

Insane Apache (02/05/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2481378

Insane Apache (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476935

Beskar (23/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2477082

Alh_P (29/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480111

Seamus Fermanagh (30/04/10) - Conservative led hung parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480262

Subotan (30/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480536

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Furunculus = Cons 325 / Lab 200 / Lib 90
Louis = Cons 285 / Lab 255 / Lib 85

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and have i missed anyone out?

p.s. you can can change your vote, but the original will also be retained..........

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voting closes at 7:00pm today, make your changes asap.
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[Louis VI the Fat]

Final prediction from me:

Cons 325
Lab 200
Lib 90

Cons 285
Lab 255
LibDem 85

Actual result: Cons 306
Lab 258
LibDem 57


Seats wrongly predicted:
Cons: Fur 19, LVI 21
Lab: Fur 58, LVI 3
LibDem: Fur 33, LVI 28


Total misses:
Furunculus 110, Louis 52.

[Furunculus]

Actual result: Cons 306
Lab 258
LibDem 57


Seats wrongly predicted:
Cons: Fur 19, LVI 21
Lab: Fur 58, LVI 3
LibDem: Fur 33, LVI 28


Total misses:
Furunculus 110, Louis 52.

my congratulations Louis, you win this time.......................... *shakes fist*

All this nonse about demanding representation for your region/city/street/backyard is, well... just that, nonsense. A strong local government is much more useful than populist demands for autonomy for arbitrary regions just because people got upset that their party of choice isn't sitting in Westminster.

Ugh... that is a major issue here, with people talking about a boost for independence of the Tories win. *gah*

agreed here, we really do not want or need a third tier of government, give me Daniel Hannan's The Plan.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I blame NuLab for not having done more in the past thirteen years for it's natural base: working class Britons. Miss Duffy indeed. But whereas she is 'that bigoted woman' to which Blair and Brown are deaf and blind, the Cons are always worse still. Their philosophy is based on thinking of this woman as morally deficit, inferior. Her little pocket change benefit fraud - barely a fraction of what the rich manage in tax evasions - the cause of Britain's financial woes. A woman not worthy of equal education, nor her children or grandchildren. A woman of another Britain, inferior Briton.

This is complete rubbish, unmitigated hogwash upon which I am forced to pour utter scorn.

I am sorry Loius, but this reads like a Marxist describing the Upper Class, and the Upper Class have never had a Marxist understanding of their own position.

In any case, the working class effectively don't pay tax, especially as most of them are now on benefits.

Face it, social mobility improved under the "nasty" party, and now it has decreased under Labour.

As to my prediction, I think a Conservative majority of no more than 40, possibly more than 30. How the Left wing will break up, I don't know.

[al Roumi]

In less turgid news, the BBC has a link to politics-related sketches. I particularily appreciated The Minister for Cuts although neither black adder or Yes minister worked (probably a bit overloaded).

Enjoy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/extra/collections/p007jyx1

[Furunculus]

a list of all the major newspapers and who they are backing, including who they backed last time where that has changed:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/elec...election0605am