The United Kingdom Elections 2010

[Furunculus]

@ AN and Beskar.

Labour are left-wing in the context of british politics because wing'iness is defined by the relative difference between Conservatives and Labour.

Labour may not be as left-wing as you might desire, but they still define what left-wing IS in the context of british politics.

[Beskar]

@ AN and Beskar.

Labour are left-wing in the context of british politics because wing'iness is defined by the relative difference between Conservatives and Labour.

Labour may not be as left-wing as you might desire, but they still define what left-wing IS in the context of british politics.

No, it was a case that Old Labour was actually left-wing, untill New Labour came and did a top-bottom change. So instead of obviously noting this, some individuals just stick to the historical alignment, but since the party has been re-branded, etc, it is inaccurate.

The left of British- politics is the Liberal Democrats and the Green party.

[Furunculus]

but as we already know with our wonderful FPTP system neither of those parties actually count for squat.

[Fragony]

This election will probably have an historically low participation. I am going to watch it closely. Next election is going to be a circus here as well, even more so than with Fortuyn. Not going to vote at all methinks.

[Subotan]

Conservatives - right-wing / libertarian

I assume you're reading the secret Tory manifesto where it details their plans for a progressive drugs policy, the scrapping of DRM and their friendliness to non-married parents.

I'd have to direct you to my siggy. If you vote for anyone, make sure they are NOT an MP. Of any flavour.

Huh? What do you consider "work" for an MP? The vast majority of MP's work incredibly hard, and are paid buttons for their work. Hence, they abuse the expenses system. Now, the Lords on the other hand...

[InsaneApache]

Huh? What do you consider "work" for an MP? The vast majority of MP's work incredibly hard, and are paid buttons for their work. Hence, they abuse the expenses system. Now, the Lords on the other hand...

£65k a year is hardly buttons.

The best thing about the bastards is that they no longer decide their own pay and expenses. Now stop me if I'm ranting but if they can't be trusted to take care of themselves, why do they think that they can be trusted to pass laws that effect us, the sheeple. Ropes and lamposts are too good for the lying thieving scumbags. Bastards the lot of them.

and breathe.....

[Beskar]

I assume you're reading the secret Tory manifesto where it details their plans for a progressive drugs policy, the scrapping of DRM and their friendliness to non-married parents.

Are the Tories pushing "family values" which are boo to single people/divorced people, etc? (Yes)

Are the Tories the biggest opponents to drug decriminilisation? (Yes)

Tories failed basic liberal-check.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Are the Tories pushing "family values" which are boo to single people/divorced people, etc? (Yes)

Are the Tories the biggest opponents to drug decriminilisation? (Yes)

Tories failed basic liberal-check.

Two fairly irrevevant issues in the grand scheme of things, as drugs will always be regulated and intellectual copyright aren't going anywhere. They're also very ego-centric issues; and secondary to the much larger concerns that embrace them.

Anyway, Libertarianism is not Liberalism. The Right to Free association, Free Speech, the right to Bare Arms, the right to Privacy.

They are Libertarian causes, and Labour goes against them all.

[Beskar]

A right to Bear Arms might get the RSPCA angry.

[Furunculus]

Two fairly irrevevant issues in the grand scheme of things, as drugs will always be regulated and intellectual copyright aren't going anywhere. They're also very ego-centric issues; and secondary to the much larger concerns that embrace them.

Anyway, Libertarianism is not Liberalism. The Right to Free association, Free Speech, the right to Bare Arms, the right to Privacy.

They are Libertarian causes, and Labour goes against them all.

correct.

[tibilicus]

I assume you're reading the secret Tory manifesto where it details their plans for a progressive drugs policy, the scrapping of DRM and their friendliness to non-married parents.

May be referring to "classic liberalism" whilst your thinking of modern liberalism.

[Furunculus]

I assume you're reading the secret Tory manifesto where it details their plans for a progressive drugs policy, the scrapping of DRM and their friendliness to non-married parents.


Huh? What do you consider "work" for an MP? The vast majority of MP's work incredibly hard, and are paid buttons for their work. Hence, they abuse the expenses system. Now, the Lords on the other hand...

i'm quite happy with my original statement where the definition of tory = right wing / libertarian derives from the following statement: "if you view the dividing line in british politics as the question of where your social assistance becomes my individual interference then following characteristics arise"

The Lords do an excellent job, and they did an excellent job before they were reformed too.

[Subotan]

£65k a year is hardly buttons.

It is compared to legislators in many other countries.

The best thing about the bastards is that they no longer decide their own pay and expenses. Now stop me if I'm ranting but if they can't be trusted to take care of themselves, why do they think that they can be trusted to pass laws that effect us, the sheeple. Ropes and lamposts are too good for the lying thieving scumbags. Bastards the lot of them.

Time to end this disastrous democratic experiment.

i'm quite happy with my original statement where the definition of tory = right wing / libertarian derives from the following statement: "if you view the dividing line in british politics as the question of where your social assistance becomes my individual interference then following characteristics arise"

I would say that the Tories very much enjoy interfering in my personal life.

The Lords do an excellent job,

Somewhat true. The majority of them are good lawmakers.

and they did an excellent job before they were reformed too.

Yes, at keeping those democratically elected socialists in their place

[Kralizec]

Go Liberal Democrats!