The United Kingdom Elections 2010

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-07-2010, 04:55

Originally Posted by JAG

Where Labour had the money to fight the marginals the swing has been vastly inferior to the swing in the other marginals. For instance we just lost Carlise on a swing of 7.7%, probably because we didn't put the money in like we did in Tooting for instance where the swing was around 3% etc.

Crazy.

It means you can only hold seats with massive cash injections. I told you Labour would not form the next government, and this looks to be the case.

Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

Wtf, is this bull**** from JAG's interactive map.

# Labour Votes: 5,120,270 % of total: 27.4% Seats: 155
# Lib Dems Votes: 4,174,338 % of total: 22.3% Seats: 31

So a 5.1% difference in the popular vote gives you 124 more seats?

First Past the Post.

**JAG** · 05-07-2010, 04:59

You were insisting there would be a decent Tory majority, I informed you that would not be the case. I always said it would be a hung parliament I simply believed we could still be the biggest party - however it doesn't look like happening. There could still be a form of coalition, remember to add 3 seats onto the Lab total due to their NI party which take the whip and likewise +1 to the LD's. This is close, Tories are getting a lot of gains atm though and might get enough for a minority govt - it all depends on London really, I am holding my breath for Brentford and Isleworth, my constituency.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-07-2010, 05:11

Originally Posted by JAG

You were insisting there would be a decent Tory majority, I informed you that would not be the case. I always said it would be a hung parliament I simply believed we could still be the biggest party - however it doesn't look like happening. There could still be a form of coalition, remember to add 3 seats onto the Lab total due to their NI party which take the whip and likewise +1 to the LD's. This is close, Tories are getting a lot of gains atm though and might get enough for a minority govt - it all depends on London really, I am holding my breath for Brentford and Isleworth, my constituency.

I am quite sure you said you would have a majority, I recall nothing about a coalition until relatively recently. If you want to talk about adding seats, you have the Ulster Unionists.

**JAG** · 05-07-2010, 05:14

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

I am quite sure you said you would have a majority, I recall nothing about a coalition until relatively recently. If you want to talk about adding seats, you have the Ulster Unionists.

Nope, look back in the thread if you must, for some years now, since Brown got in really, I said a hung parliament was the likliest outcome - it has just become more and more prominent. WOW, we just held onto Birmingham Edgbaston, no one thought we would, unbelievable. Absolutely brilliant, just a 0.5% swing.

**Beskar** · 05-07-2010, 05:31

What I am failing to understand is how the Lib-dems even lost seats.

Yeah, Libdems have 1/6th behind Labour and only have a 1/6th of the seats. Pretty ridiculous.

Looks hung, I am hoping for a coalition between Lab-Libdem in an ideal world, with Clegg as Prime Minister. But I don't think even that would get a majority.

**JAG** · 05-07-2010, 05:42

They lost seats because their vote crumbled in some Con / Lib Dem marginals and a few Lab / Lib Dem marginals and they did not take many of their target seats. As simpel as that really. Remember they had a good result in 2005 this year was always going to be hard, but after the debates everyone went beserk thinking they were gonna be forming a govt. Crazyness. I hope we can have a Lib Lab govt though.

**ICantSpellDawg** · 05-07-2010, 05:46

I remember being laughed out of the room when I mentioned the likelihood that Labour and LD shared core constituencies. Everybody said that LD would take away Tory votes due to the southern play that they shared, but that seems not to have happened for some reason.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-07-2010, 05:48

Originally Posted by JAG

They lost seats because their vote crumbled in some Con / Lib Dem marginals and a few Lab / Lib Dem marginals and they did not take many of their target seats. As simpel as that really. Remember they had a good result in 2005 this year was always going to be hard, but after the debates everyone went beserk thinking they were gonna be forming a govt. Crazyness. I hope we can have a Lib Lab govt though.

Can't happen right now, look at the figures, Lib-Lab would be less than Con-DUP.

You're flogging a dead horse at this point, even if the gap doesn't further widen, Labour can't form a government.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-07-2010, 05:44

Originally Posted by Beskar

What I am failing to understand is how the Lib-dems even lost seats.

Yeah, Libdems have 1/6th behind Labour and only have a 1/6th of the seats. Pretty ridiculous.

Looks hung, I am hoping for a coalition between Lab-Libdem in an ideal world, with Clegg as Prime Minister. But I don't think even that would get a majority.

Oh stop it Beskar. The Conservatives were always going to get in. Gordon Brown is individually far more dangerous than the aristocracy; even if Banquo did describe Cameron as an "oik". The big issue (and it's a good thing) is the failure of both Cleggmania and the Tory A-list.

When it came down to it people cared more about local candidates and policies than parties and "presidential" personalities.

The other story is that England has a 41% Conservative vote. While Banquo is correct he is also wrong.

The Conservative government will be English, but it will also represent a majority the overall population of the UK. Scotish and Welsh nationalists need to recognise that the "Celtic" fringe is a fringe, and has no right to wag the British dog.

**Beskar** · 05-07-2010, 06:36

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

When it came down to it people cared more about local candidates and policies than parties and "presidential" personalities.

How did the conservatives actually get votes then?

Nice to see Green's get an MP, and possibly even get a 2nd one soon as well.

**a completely inoffensive name** · 05-07-2010, 04:59

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

First Past the Post.

I know. I'm just pissed. I just hate obsolete and broken voting systems more then the people who attempt to rig and control elections. At least with the riggers they work their hardest to make sure reforms stopping them are not put in place so they dont lose their job, the system doesnt fight back its just there for tradition the most illogical reasoning for keeping something ever.