The United Kingdom Elections 2010

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

You were insisting there would be a decent Tory majority, I informed you that would not be the case. I always said it would be a hung parliament I simply believed we could still be the biggest party - however it doesn't look like happening. There could still be a form of coalition, remember to add 3 seats onto the Lab total due to their NI party which take the whip and likewise +1 to the LD's. This is close, Tories are getting a lot of gains atm though and might get enough for a minority govt - it all depends on London really, I am holding my breath for Brentford and Isleworth, my constituency.

I am quite sure you said you would have a majority, I recall nothing about a coalition until relatively recently. If you want to talk about adding seats, you have the Ulster Unionists.

[JAG]

I am quite sure you said you would have a majority, I recall nothing about a coalition until relatively recently. If you want to talk about adding seats, you have the Ulster Unionists.

Nope, look back in the thread if you must, for some years now, since Brown got in really, I said a hung parliament was the likliest outcome - it has just become more and more prominent. WOW, we just held onto Birmingham Edgbaston, no one thought we would, unbelievable. Absolutely brilliant, just a 0.5% swing.

[Beskar]

What I am failing to understand is how the Lib-dems even lost seats.

Yeah, Libdems have 1/6th behind Labour and only have a 1/6th of the seats. Pretty ridiculous.

Looks hung, I am hoping for a coalition between Lab-Libdem in an ideal world, with Clegg as Prime Minister. But I don't think even that would get a majority.

[JAG]

They lost seats because their vote crumbled in some Con / Lib Dem marginals and a few Lab / Lib Dem marginals and they did not take many of their target seats. As simpel as that really. Remember they had a good result in 2005 this year was always going to be hard, but after the debates everyone went beserk thinking they were gonna be forming a govt. Crazyness. I hope we can have a Lib Lab govt though.

[ICantSpellDawg]

I remember being laughed out of the room when I mentioned the likelihood that Labour and LD shared core constituencies. Everybody said that LD would take away Tory votes due to the southern play that they shared, but that seems not to have happened for some reason.

[naut]

I remember being laughed out of the room when I mentioned the likelihood that Labour and LD shared core constituencies. Everybody said that LD would take away Tory votes due to the southern play that they shared, but that seems not to have happened for some reason.

[JAG]

Why do I want Labour? errrrrrr, maybe because I am a Labour member and have been campaigning for them in this election? Plus they are morally and politically right?

Anyway, why you think the DUP automatically support the Tories I have no idea, the DUP contest the seats they win AGAINST the Tory party in NI... The DUP will vote on a issue by issue basis, however the Lab's and LD's can form a coalition and their NI parties DO accept the whip and thus should be counted as members of Lab and LD's, completely different to the DUP.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

They lost seats because their vote crumbled in some Con / Lib Dem marginals and a few Lab / Lib Dem marginals and they did not take many of their target seats. As simpel as that really. Remember they had a good result in 2005 this year was always going to be hard, but after the debates everyone went beserk thinking they were gonna be forming a govt. Crazyness. I hope we can have a Lib Lab govt though.

Can't happen right now, look at the figures, Lib-Lab would be less than Con-DUP.

You're flogging a dead horse at this point, even if the gap doesn't further widen, Labour can't form a government.

[PanzerJaeger]

Go Tories!!

The results have absolutely no effect on me, but I'm with them in spirit.

[JAG]

Wow I am tired, spelling and grammar are out of the window.

My analysis is sound though.

[JAG]

Can't happen right now, look at the figures, Lib-Lab would be less than Con-DUP.

You're flogging a dead horse at this point, even if the gap doesn't further widen, Labour can't form a government.

Nope you are wrong. On the BBC projected figures - C 306, L 262, LD 55 - that gives L + LD 317 + 3 NI seats which sit with Labour and +1 which is the same in respect for the LD's and you have 321. 4 Sinn Fein DO NOT SIT in the Parliament and therefore realistically you need a majority of 323/4 NOT 326. So with 321 in the bag you really don't think Labour will twist the arm of the newly elected Green party MP, which are to the left of both LD and Labour and to not get things passed by abstations - I don't think so. Coalition here we come, providing Clegg wakes up and realises he needs PR which Lab will give him.

woot!

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Nope you are wrong. On the BBC projected figures - C 306, L 262, LD 55 - that gives L + LD 317 + 3 NI seats which sit with Labour and +1 which is the same in respect for the LD's and you have 321. 4 Sinn Fein DO NOT SIT in the Parliament and therefore realistically you need a majority of 323/4 NOT 326. So with 321 in the bag you really don't think Labour will twist the arm of the newly elected Green party MP, which are to the left of both LD and Labour and to not get things passed by abstations - I don't think so. Coalition here we come, providing Clegg wakes up and realises he needs PR which Lab will give him.

woot!

Except you have 306+8= 316 for the Cons and DUP. To this you must add the largest party and largest vote status.

So, unless you want your Labour government along with a revolt, you won't get it. Cameron only has to defeat Brown once, and they can't do a Referendum on PR in less than two weeks.

More elections.

Anyway, why do you want the Laqbour party in power? The country in damn near bankrupt.

[Furunculus]

Nope you are wrong. On the BBC projected figures - C 306, L 262, LD 55 - that gives L + LD 317 + 3 NI seats which sit with Labour and +1 which is the same in respect for the LD's and you have 321. 4 Sinn Fein DO NOT SIT in the Parliament and therefore realistically you need a majority of 323/4 NOT 326. So with 321 in the bag you really don't think Labour will twist the arm of the newly elected Green party MP, which are to the left of both LD and Labour and to not get things passed by abstations - I don't think so. Coalition here we come, providing Clegg wakes up and realises he needs PR which Lab will give him.

woot!

the lib-dems lack the party discipline to make that an easy occurance.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

What I am failing to understand is how the Lib-dems even lost seats.

Yeah, Libdems have 1/6th behind Labour and only have a 1/6th of the seats. Pretty ridiculous.

Looks hung, I am hoping for a coalition between Lab-Libdem in an ideal world, with Clegg as Prime Minister. But I don't think even that would get a majority.

Oh stop it Beskar. The Conservatives were always going to get in. Gordon Brown is individually far more dangerous than the aristocracy; even if Banquo did describe Cameron as an "oik". The big issue (and it's a good thing) is the failure of both Cleggmania and the Tory A-list.

When it came down to it people cared more about local candidates and policies than parties and "presidential" personalities.

The other story is that England has a 41% Conservative vote. While Banquo is correct he is also wrong. The Conservative government will be English, but it will also represent a majority the overall population of the UK. Scotish and Welsh nationalists need to recognise that the "Celtic" fringe is a fringe, and has no right to wag the British dog.

[Beskar]

When it came down to it people cared more about local candidates and policies than parties and "presidential" personalities.

How did the conservatives actually get votes then?


Nice to see Green's get an MP, and possibly even get a 2nd one soon as well.