The United Kingdom Elections 2010

[therother]

Funny the Tories weren't more supportive of the idea of AV earlier. Here's a list of seats denied to the Tories which they would of won had a UKIP candidate not been standing.

Two things: a) you are of course assuming that nobody voted Labour or LD as their 2nd choice. Take Bolton West. I'm sure you are right and the vast majority of UKIP voters would vote Conservative second. There are, however, 8,177 LD voters. Recent polls put the split between Labour and Conservative leaning Liberal voters as ~75%/25% Lab/Con nationwide. Assuming that's a fair reflection, this seat would have been solid Labour hold. b) to win a seat with AV, you need a majority of the vote. Conservatives plus the entire UKIP 2nd vote would only give 42.3% of the vote. They would still need to pick up a lot of LD 2nd votes.

This is why the Tories are fearful of AV: they assume that Liberal voters will favour Labour (and Labour voters will favour Liberals in Con/Lib marginals), and so even safe Tory seats could potentially fall. Take Battersea, for instance, where the Tories polled 47.3% of the vote, Labour 35.1% and Liberal Democrat 14.7%, Green 1.1% and UKIP 1%. Even if the Tories gained all the UKIP votes and the Green votes they would still not win the constituency: it would be decided on the alternative choices of the LDs. If they overwhelmingly support the Labour candidate...

[LittleGrizzly]

Maybe my experiences are a little different but welsh speakers have been very rare where I have lived, they are mostly still very proud don't get me wrong, just they tell me "the welsh are better" in english....

One of the potential problems I see with a Lib dem Conservative coalition is that a tactic to scare people off voting for the lib dems is to tell them they will be allowing the conservatives in, ill be honest its one of the main reasons i would vote labour, by making such a deal the lib dems would surely give themselves a black mark in many peoples minds....

How would AV affect the nationalist partys ?

[Furunculus]

Maybe my experiences are a little different but welsh speakers have been very rare where I have lived, they are mostly still very proud don't get me wrong, just they tell me "the welsh are better" in english....

One of the potential problems I see with a Lib dem Conservative coalition is that a tactic to scare people off voting for the lib dems is to tell them they will be allowing the conservatives in, ill be honest its one of the main reasons i would vote labour, by making such a deal the lib dems would surely give themselves a black mark in many peoples minds....

How would AV affect the nationalist partys ?

hah, i bumped into some pissed neanderthal in the pub, who on seeing that i was wearing a new zealand t-shirt immediately told me he hated the english, so told him i wasn't from new-zealand and he asked where i was from because he couldn't place my accent, so i told him i was british, which confused him as i didn't fit into the neat pidgeon-hole he wanted that would allow him to dismiss me.