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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    When job applications are flicked through, we will be chosen by default if our qualifications are about equal.
    And here goes another generalisation.

    This might be true in some sectors but as a general statement it is certainly wrong.
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    Default Re: There is something rotten in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Ser Clegane View Post
    And here goes another generalisation.

    This might be true in some sectors but as a general statement it is certainly wrong.
    Not entirely, then they brought in quotas, so businesses sometimes even go for lower qualified, just to create the numbers. That is the effects of positive discrimination. Which is ultimately a bad idea as well.

    Then there are others who just throw job applications in the bin without even reading them, because they had an arabian sounding name. This is what forces government to do things like positive discrimination to attempt to prevent this from happening.
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    Default Re: There is something rotten in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Not entirely, then they brought in quotas, so businesses sometimes even go for lower qualified, just to create the numbers. That is the effects of positive discrimination. Which is ultimately a bad idea as well.

    Then there are others who just throw job applications in the bin without even reading them, because they had an arabian sounding name. This is what forces government to do things like positive discrimination to attempt to prevent this from happening.
    Of course not entirely - hence the remark that this might be the case on some segments.

    Also, if your employee mix is not e.g. 50:50 male/female that does not mean that you discriminate - it might simply be a reflection of the mix of your applications.

    I do not deny that some employers will not start reading the resumee of the guy with the Arabic name - I somehow doubt though that quota will help a lot improve such specific situations.

    In many cases, people will still simply go for the obvious solution - hire the most suitable candidate.

    Fun fact: When we hired for our US team we had to deliver data to some kind of governmental authority on the share of applications we received by ethnic group. Not very easy when applications are not supposed to include a photo or information on ethnicity...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ser Clegane View Post
    And here goes another generalisation.

    This might be true in some sectors but as a general statement it is certainly wrong.
    You do not believe that John Smith will have a higher chance of getting employed than Ahmed Talibani...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    You do not believe that John Smith will have a higher chance of getting employed than Ahmed Talibani...?
    At some places this will be the case. At a lot of places it will not make a difference. That's why I disagree with your generalisation.

    Example from my personal job situation:
    I have a team with 11 people in the US and in Europe. Out of these 11 only three meet your profile of a while, heterosexual male.

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