There is something rotten in Australia

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I seen that as well on the History channel ages ago.

There was a Tribe in Southern France with an unique method of creating spearheads. Around 300-400 later, the same design appeared in America. Due to the climate at the time and how you can cross the altantic, they believed they followed game across the frozen sheets of the North Atlantic and settled in America.

But there is also the fact the Mongolians also went to America, crossing at Russia-Alaska, so hence why some native American population shares genes from Asian populations.

I suspect they glossed over the fact that the European Tech seems to suddenly dissapear, shortly after the arrival of the Asian version. The implication is (at least) cultural genocide, as the debate is finally hotting up now this may become a political topic in the next ten years, or so.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I don't think the Neanderthals ever got to the America's.

But we're trying to breed back to that level. Soon Belgians won't be able to get in the top five in the Darwins as we'll have them locked up.

[Louis VI the Fat]

All the native Americans who currently inhabit northern Canada and Greenland, the Thule people, arrived from Alaska only in the 13th to 15th century. They genocided the Dorset people - who had been living in Canada forever since the 9th century, when the Dorset themselves arrived from Asia and genocided the peoples of Northern Canada.

This same Thule people is probably responsible for the genocide of Greenland's unique Vikingo-American culture.

That's two genocides in an area triple that of Québec, started only three centuries before the French settled Canada. The last remnants of the Dorset people, the original inhabitants of the continent Megas' ancestors (?) stole from them, died out only the century before the French arrived.


If only the French had arrived two, maybe three generations earlier, then we might have saved Northern Canada's real native peoples from these foreign genocidal maniacs...

[Centurion1]

I always find it odd how Australia has a significant racist sentiment yet visiting Sydney recently I was quite overwhelmed (in a good way) by the sheer number of Asian people. It was nice.

nobody hates Asians. think of all the stereotypes about Asians. "Oh they are too smart." wow don't insult me too much. other races don't even have to worry about their women leaving them to Asians because yah know...... physical deficiencies.




So Australia has a significant anti immigration movement eh? though that story doesn't necessarily mean anything just sounded like some young jackasses.

[miotas]

Just about every Australian is racist to some extent, most people think all the racist steroetypes of immigrants, and sometimes the thoughts are even voiced, but the percentage of the population that actually wants to kick them out is rather small(it's still a lot of people of course, just a small percentage). For the most part, despite our racist thoughts, we are quite accepting of them. Like someone said before 25% of the population was born overseas, and almost 50% have at least one parent who was born overseas.

[Beskar]

Lancashire (as Subotan will most likely comment on) is mostly an low level of melanin area of Britain. Only people of different melanin levels are pretty much working in the NHS or Foriegn Exchange student at University.

So all my interactions with people of other melanin levels have always been positive experience.

It is really strange, because all these comments racists/etc make, just seem really stupid. As my interactions have seem positive and all the comments racists make about them, I see from the locally born, low melalin level populace.


Though, I have to admit, going to Luton and ending up in a service station where I was the only low-level melalin person was a really weird experience.

[pevergreen]

Just about every Australian is racist to some extent, most people think all the racist steroetypes of immigrants, and sometimes the thoughts are even voiced, but the percentage of the population that actually wants to kick them out is rather small(it's still a lot of people of course, just a small percentage). For the most part, despite our racist thoughts, we are quite accepting of them.

Well said.

Unlike Howard: "We will decide who comes into this country and the conditions on which they come."

[Gregoshi]

Unlike Howard: "We will decide who comes into this country and the conditions on which they come."

That quote/paraphrase is worthy of a Statue of Liberty spoof.

[miotas]

The exact words were: “We will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.”

[Furunculus]

The exact words were: “We will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.”

sounds very reasonable, who's complaining?

[Meneldil]

I really hope you're caracaturing something, because otherwise this isn't funny.

Some people just have to blame others to explain their own shortcomings.

[pevergreen]

The exact words were: “We will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.”

I stand corrected.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Just about every Australian is racist to some extent, most people think all the racist steroetypes of immigrants, and sometimes the thoughts are even voiced, but the percentage of the population that actually wants to kick them out is rather small(it's still a lot of people of course, just a small percentage). For the most part, despite our racist thoughts, we are quite accepting of them. Like someone said before 25% of the population was born overseas, and almost 50% have at least one parent who was born overseas.

I doubt it's just Australians, though the Colonies were always more insular and less accepting than Britain. As I said before, everyone is prejudiced.

The exact words were: “We will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.”

Question: Why should anyone be allowed to come to your country? A nation should be a polity, a socila arrangement between it's citizens. People coming to your country are applying to join your polity.

Lancashire (as Subotan will most likely comment on) is mostly an low level of melanin area of Britain. Only people of different melanin levels are pretty much working in the NHS or Foriegn Exchange student at University.

So all my interactions with people of other melanin levels have always been positive experience.

It is really strange, because all these comments racists/etc make, just seem really stupid. As my interactions have seem positive and all the comments racists make about them, I see from the locally born, low melalin level populace.

Though, I have to admit, going to Luton and ending up in a service station where I was the only low-level melalin person was a really weird experience.

Devon is the same, darker skinned people make me uncomfortable, on a gut level, and I think it's just because I didn't meet any when I was a child (at all).

[miotas]

I think he was more specifically talking about asylum seekers. Basically he was telling them to go back to they country they came from and die or stay here and sit in a detention centre. This is an issue that I have a lot of trouble with personally, part of me says that I don't want all these stupid dirty boat people coming here and the other part says that they are people too and what right do we have to either a)lock them up for committing no crime or b)send them back to their country where chances are they will die?

Question: Why should anyone be allowed to come to your country? A nation should be a polity, a socila arrangement between it's citizens. People coming to your country are applying to join your polity.

I have no problem whatsoever with people who immigrate here legally. If a person wants to move here and get a job or study and raise a family or whatever they wish to do then I don't see why we should turn them away. They don't have to give up their traditions and assimilate(that's a bit of a dirty word), so long as they follow our laws then there isn't any reason to refuse them.

[CountArach]

sounds very reasonable, who's complaining?

The people who wanted us to actually treat refugees humanely.

[Beskar]

But wouldn't the whole idea of refugees help prevent the world wide revolution?

As if people had to stay, they would have to fight for what is right, thus bring about the change to bring justice back, opposed to running away from their problems.

[Subotan]

Lancashire (as Subotan will most likely comment on) is mostly an low level of melanin area of Britain. Only people of different melanin levels are pretty much working in the NHS or Foriegn Exchange student at University.

In the part of Lancashire where I'm from, this is pretty accurate.Likewise my college is whiter than a ski resort for polar bears, as AFAIK there are a couple of black students, one or two muslims and maybe ten South Asians out of 1,500 students. Ofc, parts of Lancashire like Burnley have a very mixed population, and unfortunately, they tend to be the poorer parts of Lancashire, although I don't know if that's the cause or the effect.

Devon is the same, darker skinned people make me uncomfortable, on a gut level, and I think it's just because I didn't meet any when I was a child (at all).

To be honest, I'm the same. Despite the fact that I was delivered by a Jamaican, I grew up in snow-white Belfast, and then a very monoethnic part of Lancashire. It's just unusual for me, although that feeling wuickly disappears after a few minutes of conversation.

[CountArach]

But wouldn't the whole idea of refugees help prevent the world wide revolution?

As if people had to stay, they would have to fight for what is right, thus bring about the change to bring justice back, opposed to running away from their problems.

That's cynical and inhumane.

Unless of course you are sarcastic, but I don't know...

[Furunculus]

meh, i grew up in africa. not a problem.

[miotas]

But wouldn't the whole idea of refugees help prevent the world wide revolution?

As if people had to stay, they would have to fight for what is right, thus bring about the change to bring justice back, opposed to running away from their problems.

What about the father who takes his wife and young child and flees certain death?

[Beskar]

What about the father who takes his wife and young child and flees certain death?

The argument is, if they stayed and united with others, to protect their wife and young child, opposed to running away, they can stop the certain death by fighting those who do that not only to their wife and child, but the wife of child of many others.

Think of it this way. There is a room full of people, a couple of people have guns. If they united together, they can easily overcome the people with guns, thus solves the problem. A few people will die, but the problem is solved.

On the otherhand, if they all fleed to another room, what about all those people in there? They would have to share their food, drinks, etc. What about if the people in that room have guns as well and oppressing? Do you keep running away, room to room? to you find a cramped corner some where, while those people with guns in the other rooms are there feasting away on all those resources, since people were too chicken to confront them?

[naut]

Wow. No oversimplification of the issues there.

[miotas]

Of course that works if you look at numbers on a page, but what does the father see when he looks at his family, a statistic or a fearful wife and scared, confused child?

[CountArach]

By that argument we should lock them out of Australia so that they will return to (as a common example) Indonesia... a country that they have just fled and in which they are now considered criminals... thus meaning that upon their return (assuming they can actually make it back to Indonesia, which is always far from certain on the crafts they use) they are locked up for life or worse. This doesn't lead to revolution any more than them coming here. Fear would continue to keep people in place. Revolutions are naturally occurring events that are dependent upon the conditions in a particular place at a particular time - they cannot be forced as there is no revolutionary infrastructure is in place.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

That's cynical and inhumane.

Unless of course you are sarcastic, but I don't know...

Beskar does have a point (how is it we are agreeing). You can take it to extremes, but there is definately an argument that you shouldn't accept every refugee without looking carefully at how much danger they are actually in.

About the Camps, if the people are treated well I think it is preferable to allowing them to dissapear into society-at-large, where they may become illegals and really be badly treated.

[HoreTore]

Beskar does have a point (how is it we are agreeing). You can take it to extremes, but there is definately an argument that you shouldn't accept every refugee without looking carefully at how much danger they are actually in.

I don't see what right you have to decide where I can live, who I can be friends with, who I can love or who I can work for.

I do not believe that a state should have that kind of power over us.

[Furunculus]

I don't see what right you have to decide where I can live, who I can be friends with, who I can love or who I can work for.

I do not believe that a state should have that kind of power over us.

i think there is a million BNP voters who absolutely want their government to operate stringent border controls, and many millions more who at least sympathise with the aim even if they are not willing to vote BNP to say so.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I don't see what right you have to decide where I can live, who I can be friends with, who I can love or who I can work for.

I do not believe that a state should have that kind of power over us.

On the other hand, you have no rights other than those acknowledged by your State.

Let's turn it around, what right do you have to come and live in my country if I don't want you to? I am a citizen, you are not; why shouldn't I be allowed to have a say who comes into my nation and is granted membership of the citizenry?

Otherwise, you just a situation where people come and take what they can from who they can, either peacfully or otherwise. The fact that this is exactly what your ancestors tried to do to some of mine rather proves the point.

[HoreTore]

i think there is a million BNP voters who absolutely want their government to operate stringent border controls, and many millions more who at least sympathise with the aim even if they are not willing to vote BNP to say so.

On the other hand, you have no rights other than those acknowledged by your State.

Let's turn it around, what right do you have to come and live in my country if I don't want you to? I am a citizen, you are not; why shouldn't I be allowed to have a say who comes into my nation and is granted membership of the citizenry?

Otherwise, you just a situation where people come and take what they can from who they can, either peacfully or otherwise. The fact that this is exactly what your ancestors tried to do to some of mine rather proves the point.

I don't really care about what fascists or whatever believe they can control - I still want their filthy bodies away from me. Just like I don't care what religious fundies believe, I will still continue my adultery and sodomy as much as I please.

Phillipvs; let's say you want to buy a house in Tinyidyllicenglishvillageington. I don't like you, and decide that you can move here, you'll have to stay back in Smoginfectedhellholeshire. Is it my right to tell you where you can or can't live? I'd say no. And I can't see why that should change just because of some arbitrary line on a map.

Also; why on earth should my potential partners be limited by that line as well? Why shouldn't I be allowed to be with the woman I love? Why should I be forced to live without her?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I don't really care about what fascists or whatever believe they can control - I still want their filthy bodies away from me. Just like I don't care what religious fundies believe, I will still continue my adultery and sodomy as much as I please.

Why do you hurl all this hatred around; I say that the members of a society should have a say in who is a part of that society and you call me a facist! Anyway, you say you want the filthy "facist" bodies away from you, isn't that the same thing.

Phillipvs; let's say you want to buy a house in Tinyidyllicenglishvillageington. I don't like you, and decide that you can move here, you'll have to stay back in Smoginfectedhellholeshire. Is it my right to tell you where you can or can't live? I'd say no. And I can't see why that should change just because of some arbitrary line on a map.

Lets be more explicit: If I want to emmigrate to Norway it is the right of the Norwegian State to bar me from entry if they believe I am unsuitable or harmful to Norwegian society.

Also; why on earth should my potential partners be limited by that line as well? Why shouldn't I be allowed to be with the woman I love? Why should I be forced to live without her?

Funny you should ask, my Mother married my Father and that ended the issue.