There is something rotten in Australia

[Beskar]

When Norwegians fled our piss-poor country in the late 1800's, the country was better off because of it.

There is a difference in argument there. Unable to support the population due to conditions of the environment is not the same. That would simply be classed as immigratation.

Only real counter to my example are systematic fear by nations such as Communist China, Nazi Germany, etc, the reason that is, if you are Jewish in Nazi Germany, just get the hell out of there. That is a case where being a refugee is an obvious example. Communist China would be a similar one, you either follow the will of the party, or just get out of there, simply because the Communist Party in China is that popular.

The main differences here are obvious. If you are in a country where no one supports the government, there is plenty of scope for change. But if you are a vast minority to a popular government, then you simply have no chance.


but then again, History has shown that when a population fight for something, they can get it. Such an example are equal rights for whites and blacks in America. The blacks fought and changed the system, opposed to getting on a boat to elsewhere. Though the difference here, they were not getting genocided or massacred.

[HoreTore]

There is a difference in argument there. Unable to support the population due to conditions of the environment is not the same. That would simply be classed as immigratation.

Only real counter to my example are systematic fear by nations such as Communist China, Nazi Germany, etc, the reason that is, if you are Jewish in Nazi Germany, just get the hell out of there. That is a case where being a refugee is an obvious example. Communist China would be a similar one, you either follow the will of the party, or just get out of there, simply because the Communist Party in China is that popular.

The main differences here are obvious. If you are in a country where no one supports the government, there is plenty of scope for change. But if you are a vast minority to a popular government, then you simply have no chance.


but then again, History has shown that when a population fight for something, they can get it. Such an example are equal rights for whites and blacks in America. The blacks fought and changed the system, opposed to getting on a boat to elsewhere. Though the difference here, they were not getting genocided or massacred.

The Norwegians who left the country were part of a majority run by a highly unpopular foreign government....

[Fragony]

I think that if you want to understand the grievances of those flocking to the nastier sides of the right you should look for something much closer to home, namely multiculturalism. Most of these people aren't refugees they are colonists. They don't have any added benefit economically and that doesn't go unnoticed, and they make the life of many people miserable which is felt. Police can't enter certain neighborhoods while the elite still preaches how we should feel about that and destroys anything that doesn't get how great it all is. Can't keep doing this.

[HoreTore]

I think that if you want to understand the grievances of those flocking to the nastier sides of the right you should look for something much closer to home, namely multiculturalism.

Still no excuse for supporting fascism.

If they don't like the status quo, they should simply start their own party. No reason to support people who believes jews and gas go well together.

[Fragony]

Still no excuse for supporting fascism.

If they don't like the status quo, they should simply start their own party. No reason to support people who believe that jews and mustard gas go well together.

I am glad we have a decent right-wing party here (well only rightwing on immigration) but if I would live in a bad English neighborhood (and they are bad) where the police doesn't even go I would feel pretty cornered. Politics needs to wise up.

Example from here, there has been a bit of turmoil between Malaku's and Maroccans in a small town, it is a pretty dangerous situation, 5 Maroccan guys tried to roadkill a 13 year old Malaku girl, The Malaku's devision of the Hell's Angels has threatened to act if the politicians won't, and I wouldn't mess with these guys. What is the reaction of the minister of national affairs, she sends in 3 street-coaches. Does she have any idea what is happening, what planet does she come from?

Is that a failure of the refugees or government policy?

Government policy. In the USA you are what you are, nobody expects anything more. But here someone has a dream.

[Subotan]

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but then again, History has shown that when a population fight for something, they can get it. Such an example are equal rights for whites and blacks in America. The blacks fought and changed the system, opposed to getting on a boat to elsewhere. Though the difference here, they were not getting genocided or massacred

The fought for equal rights for centuries, yet only got them when the system was prepared to work with them. Whether they forced the system to work with them remains a source of debate.

I think that if you want to understand the grievances of those flocking to the nastier sides of the right you should look for something much closer to home, namely multiculturalism. Most of these people aren't refugees they are colonists. They don't have any added benefit economically and that doesn't go unnoticed, and they make the life of many people miserable which is felt. Police can't enter certain neighborhoods while the elite still preaches how we should feel about that and destroys anything that doesn't get how great it all is. Can't keep doing this.

Is that a failure of the refugees or government policy? Immigrants of all colours and religions have integrated remarkably well in the USA (Apart from blacks, but they were the only group to enter it non-voluntarily.). Multiculturalism as an idea works perfectly well, when it's implemented well. It's just on the Continent, you've all made a pig's ear out of it (Though we're hardly free from blame)

[Beskar]

In many ways, it has worked well. Only problems with it are: Racists and those failing to assilimate into society and strangely oppose it.

In a way, Multicultural Society in concept can be seen as the borg...

In the Star Trek fictional universe, assimilation is the process by which the Borg integrate beings and cultures into their collective. "You will be assimilated" is one of the few on-screen phrases employed by the Borg when communicating with other species. The Borg are portrayed as having encountered and assimilated thousands of species and billions to trillions of individual life-forms throughout the galaxy.

The differences is, they bring their cultural, ideas and technological with them, which can assist in adapting and improving the system, to become a more superior system.

[Fragony]

In many ways, it has worked well. Only problems with it are: Racists and those failing to assilimate into society and strangely oppose it.

There is no, or hardly any, racism in the Netherlands. The multiculturalist dream tends to become positive discrimination when things go wrong, and people can see that, those that are supposed to run a country grasping at straws when they don't have an answer. It are so many small things that ultimately adds up to becoming something unbearable. The people lecturing you have no idea what they are talking about they live in an alternative reality where society is always to blame and it are just a few screws that need a few 360's. But it isn't, for some life is a living hell they have to deal with intimidation daily. You can't expect those people to trust the status quo, it's the status quo that lets them down.

[Furunculus]

In many ways, it has worked well. Only problems with it are: Racists and those failing to assilimate into society and strangely oppose it.

In a way, Multicultural Society in concept can be seen as the borg...


The differences is, they bring their cultural, ideas and technological with them, which can assist in adapting and improving the system, to become a more superior system.

your borg analogy sounds far more like america than europes multiculturalism.

[Beskar]

your borg analogy sounds far more like america than europes multiculturalism.

It is the American/Austrialian and Anglosphere opinion, which many British actually agree with. "If they come to our country, they must obey our rules, our laws, and become British. If they want to still be a racist-term, they can go back there."

It is a opinion some one could symphaise with quite easy.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Multiculturalism as an idea works perfectly well, when it's implemented well. It's just on the Continent, you've all made a pig's ear out of it (Though we're hardly free from blame)

I'd like to see some evidence that multi-culturalism actually works ever. I can't think of an example.

[Subotan]

Government policy. In the USA you are what you are, nobody expects anything more. But here someone has a dream.

Um, the American Dream?

I'd like to see some evidence that multi-culturalism actually works ever. I can't think of an example.

America is a great example, as is Brazil. To a lesser extent, immigrants have assimalated well in the Uk too.

[Fragony]

Um, the American Dream?

That would be great but I am afraid they are dreaming of something else.