No, it's about as easy as putting on a tie everybody wants his pet-worker. Introducing with 'yo' with your pants hanging on your knees doesn't help.Originally Posted by HoreTore
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No, it's about as easy as putting on a tie everybody wants his pet-worker. Introducing with 'yo' with your pants hanging on your knees doesn't help.
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How can you put on a tie in a job application...?
Alright, let's say it's like you say, we have no better chance at getting employed than minorities. Why is it so, that a person with an arab name gets no interviews, but when he changes only the name on his application to a native one, he suddenly gets called in for interviews...?
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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Of course not entirely - hence the remark that this might be the case on some segments.
Also, if your employee mix is not e.g. 50:50 male/female that does not mean that you discriminate - it might simply be a reflection of the mix of your applications.
I do not deny that some employers will not start reading the resumee of the guy with the Arabic name - I somehow doubt though that quota will help a lot improve such specific situations.
In many cases, people will still simply go for the obvious solution - hire the most suitable candidate.
Fun fact: When we hired for our US team we had to deliver data to some kind of governmental authority on the share of applications we received by ethnic group. Not very easy when applications are not supposed to include a photo or information on ethnicity...
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At some places this will be the case. At a lot of places it will not make a difference. That's why I disagree with your generalisation.
Example from my personal job situation:
I have a team with 11 people in the US and in Europe. Out of these 11 only three meet your profile of a while, heterosexual male.
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Must be bad luck, government usually compensates all your losses, very lucrative, you can get up to 20.000 euro per immigrant a year from the import-industry, wether they exist or not, they are just shoveling.
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Bad luck does not explain a difference of zero interviews to dozen interviews.
The only explanation for that is the simplest one; racism.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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No, they aren't worth the trouble, if they suddenly appear in a burqa you know you will be sued, and lose. And they will see how far they can go.
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I seriously doubt anyone named "Ahmed Talibani" has an urge to wear a burqa....
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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The exaggeration on both sides is very entertaining.
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Well it's a pity for him that his religious brothers are such a pain. They come somewhere and they demand a place to pray. At work. No.
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Why is Muslims praying at work such a problem for you? You claim that multi-culturalism doesn't work, and yet you come out with stuff like that. It's very circular logic.
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Read what I said earlier about arabic names. People do actions like that which force people having to comply by hiring a certain number of ethnic minorities.
Unfortunately, it gives those who didn't want to hire them in the first place a big grumble saying they have to do it now.
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Death solves all problems. No man, no problem.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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Do you have some more information on this case you are referring to? Is it documented somewhere?
It would actually be interesting to know what kind of job the guy was applying for and if the the name was indeed the only thing that was changed in the resumee.
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It's happened quite a few times, and yes, all it took was to change the name.
Can't remember the profession, sorry. And I read my newspapers in paper, my google-fu is rather weak...
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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OK - I did a search and came across this study. I only briefly scanned the study and the results - but this would confirm the point you were making with regard to Arabic name.
Link opens pdf-file of study
Study: Measuring Priors against Arabic-Named Job Applicants: A Field Experiment
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My statement about Arabic-named Job Applicants was also a reference to a forum member who owns their own business and they also reject based on the name. So it is closer to home than you think as well.
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Re: There is something rotten in Australia
???
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He's talking about me, and yeah, guilty as charged. Not into that trade anymore btw. But if a name ends with ski you know you have someone who shows up every day and works hisof, is never sick, and causes no trouble, if it starts with el quite the opposite not worth the trouble.
Last edited by Fragony; 01-14-2010 at 04:13.
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There was a study done a while back which was posted in the local newspaper (again, a while back). IIRC, it confirmed that employers have a tendency to discriminate against people with east Asian (Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc.) surnames whilst shifting through job applications. I can only imagine how other job applications involving "foreign" or, perhaps better stated, "undesired" surnames are similarly treated.
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Yeah, because I've never heard of a pole/russian who was late for work...He's talking about me, and yeah, guilty as charged. Not into that trade anymore btw. But if a name ends with ski you know you have someone who shows up every day and works his
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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things with the poles is; you know they will work hard, and you know they won't bring some enormous cultural chip on their shoulder into your workplace.
which is a comment in its own right, and not an automatic reflection on another specific group, but you questioned the wisdom of preferring polish workers, so now you have an answer.
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1. Never heard of what happens to an eastern euro when exposed to Vodka?
2. Quite a few eastern european workers don't even speak basic english...
Anyway. Take a look at the working conditions in the middle east, north africa, india, etc. That's not "hard work"....? Bah, 95% of us europeans would've called in sick after the first day...
Last edited by HoreTore; 01-14-2010 at 11:54.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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I think it still depends on the person, there may be some cultural differences but then a pole who works hard may not work very accurate, an african who doesn't work very hard may be very clever etc. And how many of you post here from work, eh?
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Yeah and they take great pride in that. The only one who ever sat home sick was there because I told him to go home, payment on the house.
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Husar just found gold!!
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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