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    Default Camillian units routing too easily?

    Hi.

    First of all I'm a phalanx man. Most of my experience (read:all my finished campaigns) so far has been with phalanx factions (Epeiros and Arche Seleukeia) except for a Charthage campaign that died off due to repeated CTDs.

    Recently I've decided to give Carthage a second try. Currently I've killed off the Lusotann and have a half-stack mopping-up the rest of the rebels in Spain and 2 stacks in Italy fighting the romans. A full stack of elite troops in central Italy (elephants, sacred bands, lanceari, elite africans and what not) that
    the AI stubbornly ignores despite me besieging Capua(keeps sending 2-3 units at once+the Capuan garrison that never makes it to the battlefield) and about 3/4 of a stack of mercenaries that's steamrolling southern Italy.

    I recruited this last army because the Romans invaded Sicily just as I was raising an army to invade them

    So I got together whatever troops I had available (couple of hoplites, lucanians and 2 FMs), augmented with some samnite mercenaries(4 milites, 2 hastati and 2 certan archers) and hoped they could delay the Romans the few turns it would take my army to reach Sicily from Kart-Hadast. However, so far I've managed to utterly destroy 3 fullstacks in a pretty weird way:

    Everything below princeps (hastati, rorarii, accensi and other light infantry)simply routs after a few minutes of face-to-face melee with my battle line. and for the heavier troops (pedites extraordinarii, princeps and triarii) a charge in the back usually gets the same effect(note: all my cavalry consists of 2 FMs, that's about 70 sacred bands on huge).

    I've never seen stuff routing so fast(even eastern levies vs TABs). Checked the camillian units' morale and it seems well in line with the other faction's infantry. My only logical explanation so far is that sword infantry (with which I have really limited experience) kills stuff way faster than spear infantry, and the rate of taking casualties causes them to rout(they usually rout around 110-120 ppl on huge).
    Anyone has noticed anything similar?

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    Default Re: Camillian units routing too easily?

    Camillian Troops have a little less morale than Polybians.
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    Default Re: Camillian units routing too easily?

    Sword infantry does kill faster. Play as a Celtic faction to realize this.
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    Default Re: Camillian units routing too easily?

    YOur elephants are probably reducing thier morale or maybe the commanding general has some bad traits that are having a negative effect.

    If you want to see how traits can affect a battle have a pop at one of the rebel central european super stacks that the script spawns, with the general still alive they will practically never rout but once he's dead they all go at once.


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    Default Re: Camillian units routing too easily?

    They make up for it with their dirt-cheapness.
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    Default Re: Camillian units routing too easily?

    I have had mixed experience with Camillans, though if you are using Hammer and Anvil those results are typical.

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