Video games 'worse' than porn

[Gregoshi]

Is it possible for us to get back to pr0n vs vid-game?

Porn is worse.

The violence in video games is clearly a fantasy, or from fantastic (ie not common, real situations, but war, zombie apocalypses, criminal gangs, etc.)

Whereas with porn, people like Ron Jeremy go on about how the videos are supposed to help real people with their sex lives - though porn is based on fantasy, not reality, and objectification of women.

CR

Halliluja! Praise the Board! The thread is Porn again!

Noble effort CR, but it looks like it may not work.

I'll try: my logic says violence should be far worse than porn, but the irrational side of me (in this case) doesn't mind violence as much porn when it comes to exposing it to young ones. I guess it might stem from growing up playing army as a kid and not Oh-doctor-I feel-funny-between-my-legs with neighborhood girls (don't think there were any girls in my neighborhood come to think of it...).

Edit: Now it looks like it is working...well done CR! (Ah, the benefits of taking so long to post something)

[Subotan]

Why do people have such a problem with thread drift?

[Gregoshi]

Why do people have such a problem with thread drift?

Because in this case it was a failure to communicate (rape vs rape fantasy) which seemed rather pointless after getting through it all. The original topic never really got started before the derailment.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Andres:

Here's a piece on research regarding the prevalence of the "rape fantasy" among women. It seems that figures vary between 19 and 57% depending on age and study. Suggests that it is a fantasy experience during masturbation for a significant minority of women.


Re: Porn versus video violence:


Video game violence is aimed at the 10-20 age frame and at a primarily male audience (ratings be snookered, let's deal with reality). As such, it interacts with puberty issues -- and research on its impact has been chaotic at best. Is society better served by teaching our young to lead zombies by the correct distance to insure a head shot? Probably not. However, little research indicates that a relatively stable person will become unstable by consuming this form of entertainment.

Porn is aimed at anyone who will pay for it. Setting aside the loathesome subset of that industry that caters to pererasts and other such vermin, it is an industry whose participants are legal adults, compensated for their efforts, and can be presumed to function under the concepts of assumption of risk/informed consent. That said, it is an industry rife with drug use and soul-deadening exploitation that tends to consume its "talent" and provide few rewards save for the profits of the distributors.

Few parents would be happy with their child choosing such a career -- however legal or well compensated -- even if they have no "hangups" whatsoever about sex etc.

[Beskar]

Andres:

Here's a piece on research regarding the prevalence of the "rape fantasy" among women. It seems that figures vary between 19 and 57% depending on age and study. Suggests that it is a fantasy experience during masturbation for a significant minority of women.

That is a pretty poor study then, the obvious big criticism is that a fantasy to get ravished by Brad Pitt =/= Rape.

The study is fundamentally incorrect.

To quote:

For example, Strassberg and Lockerd (1998) found the following themes to be similar in prevalence to rape fantasies: "I imagine myself delighting many men," and "I pretend that I am another irresistibly sexy female."

That is not rape.

[Ser Clegane]

That is not rape.

They do not claim that this is rape. If you look at the full quote it is very obvious that they clearly distinguish between these "desirability fantasies" and "rape fantasies". The key point of the quote with regard to "rape fantasies" is the part I bolded.

It seems likely that desirability contributes to the occurrence of rape fantasies, but there are other fantasy themes that also, and perhaps more directly, focus on the woman's desirability. For example, Strassberg and Lockerd (1998) found the following themes to be similar in prevalence to rape fantasies: "I imagine myself delighting many men," and "I pretend that I am another irresistibly sexy female." Desirability theory could be tested by determining whether women who have rape fantasies are also more likely than other women to have other desirability fantasies.

[Beskar]

oops, that was a hiccup on my part then for skim reading.

But as you stated in your other post:

From the viewpoint of the fantasizer, a type of implicit consent has been given.

Therefore, it is not rape.

[HoreTore]

Therefore, it is not rape.

Only those who have been decrying rape fantasies here have been talking about rape, Beskar....

We others have been talking about something quite different.

[Andres]

Halliluja! Praise the Board! The thread is Porn again!

Taken out of context, Kukri asking us to please talk about porn is indeed pretty hilarious