Video games 'worse' than porn

[Boohugh]

Posted in the Backroom due to the slightly adult nature of the topic!

So...Ron Jeremy (a male porn 'actor') has come out and said that violent video games have a much bigger negative influence on kids than porn. The choice of venue for this bold statement? Whilst visiting the Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas .

So...what do fellow Orgah's feel about this issue? Personally I think it should be regarded as which is better, not which is worse!

[Fragony]

Not that odd a claim unless it's rape-porn or something similar.

//expects Horetore to show up

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Not that odd a claim unless it's rape-porn or something similar.

//expects Horetore to show up

Agreed, there's some twisted stuff out there, but, principally, we expect most people to have sex; we don't expect them to fight their way through the Zombie Apocalypse.

[Fragony]

Agreed, there's some twisted stuff out there, but, principally, we expect most people to have sex; we don't expect them to fight their way through the Zombie Apocalypse.

Violence is somewhat sexual in nature as well, but even after watching violent porn (if that is your thing, know of at least one very respectable orgah who does) that emotion ends up somewhere else, then it's gone it has been relieved. But I don't believe playing ultra-violent video-games aren't totally harmless for those already on the edge. Short burst vs prolonged exposure.

[Beskar]

I don't see porn and video games as being bad (at a user end as such). But if I had to choose, porn would obviously be worse as it involved real people and a lot of the porn industry is a very dirty, very corrupt and a very exploitive buisness.

So in otherwords, porn is worse than video games as no humans were hurt in the process of a video game.

[HoreTore]

Not that odd a claim unless it's rape-porn or something similar.

Rape is actually a very common female fantasy. Roleplay rape of course, not actual rape. I guess it's the "ultimate submission" thingy.

//expects Horetore to show up

I didn't really have anything to add... But this comment made me

[Mithrandir]

Rape is actually a very common female fantasy. Roleplay rape of course, not actual rape. I guess it's the "ultimate submission" thingy.

[Ronin]

Most violent games are 18+ so they are not for kids anyway....

it´s kind of a pointless comment.

I have to agree that the most important question is "which one is more awesome anyway?"

[Fragony]

It is... we had a conversation somewhat like this a while back, the Lemur nailed :'Brad Pitt showing up at your door and not taking no for an answer'. Some are more dominant than others and some like that. People have rape fantasy's, doubt you don't.

[Mithrandir]

It is... we had a conversation somewhat like this a while back, the Lemur nailed :'Brad Pitt showing up at your door and not taking no for an answer'. Some are more dominant than others and some like that. People have rape fantasy's, doubt you don't.

You'd completely change your mind if someone close to you was raped and you knew what impact it had on their lives.

To say I'm offended by your statement wouldn't be quite correct, but I don't like it whatsoever.
Not the fact that it's directed at me, but the fact that you think it's normal to have rape fantasies.

Oh come on, get off your high horse. I'm 100% sure that you do sexual stuff other people would label disgusting too. We all do that "disgusting" stuff.

Maybe, but never something which goes against the will of the other, ruining complete lives.

I'll won't respond to this topic anymore since no good will come of it. But please be sensitive to the subject and know what enormous impact such a dispicable act can have on peoples lives. Please don't make it seem like something "normal" to consider or fantasize about.

[Beskar]

Rape is actually a very common female fantasy. Roleplay rape of course, not actual rape. I guess it's the "ultimate submission" thingy.

Actually, I would argue it would be the feelings of desire/being wanted and being taken by some one you want to be taken by.

So it is not actually rape at all. As in rape, you are being taken by someone which you don't, which is a complete contradictionary in terms.

[HoreTore]

Oh come on, get off your high horse. I'm 100% sure that you do sexual stuff other people would label disgusting too. We all do that "disgusting" stuff.

[Beskar]

Though this was on the BBC website recently, as in, I just went on and saw it now.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/8455161.stm

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Rape is actually a very common female fantasy. Roleplay rape of course, not actual rape. I guess it's the "ultimate submission" thingy.

Actual Rape is about Power and control, about forcing your will on others. It isn't about sex and power. Now, being ravaged probably is a not uncommon female fantasy, but that's different.

[HoreTore]

Actual Rape is about Power and control, about forcing your will on others. It isn't about sex and power. Now, being ravaged probably is a not uncommon female fantasy, but that's different.

No, I'm talking about roleplaying a rape, not "getting rough".

[Fragony]

Actual Rape is about Power and control, about forcing your will on others. It isn't about sex and power. Now, being ravaged probably is a not uncommon female fantasy, but that's different.

Why does such a thing such as sado-machosism exist, or any other fetish really. The desire to take or to be taken is deeply rooted in the fantasy-world of both sexes and some will give in to excesses. Just look at the language, always helps, you will always find a violent or dominating undertone 'taken' 'mounted', just as you will always find sexual insinuation in excessive violence. Did I just beat you at COD4? No I raped you.

[Ser Clegane]

Did I just beat you at COD4? No I raped you.

This example (and I personally consider such remarks to be of rather poor taste) actually rather proves that "rape" is about power and control and not about sex.

[Scienter]

Why does such a thing such as sado-machosism exist, or any other fetish really. The desire to take or to be taken is deeply rooted in the fantasy-world of both sexes and some will give in to excesses. Just look at the language, always helps, you will always find a violent or dominating undertone 'taken' 'mounted', just as you will always find sexual insinuation in excessive violence. Did I just beat you at COD4? No I raped you.

"Rape culture is the myriad ways in which rape is tacitly and overtly abetted and encouraged having saturated every corner of our culture so thoroughly that people can't easily wrap their heads around what the rape culture actually is." For me, seeing the word "rape" used to mean something other than non-consensual sex is disturbing.

I don't necessarily agree with everything in that link I posted, but the author has an excellent point in that quote I pasted in.

[Andres]

Posted in the Backroom due to the slightly adult nature of the topic!

So...Ron Jeremy (a male porn 'actor') has come out and said that violent video games have a much bigger negative influence on kids than porn. The choice of venue for this bold statement? Whilst visiting the Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas .

So...what do fellow Orgah's feel about this issue? Personally I think it should be regarded as which is better, not which is worse!

I guess it depends on what games you play or what kind of porn you watch.

All these claims about most women having rape fantasies disturb me, to say the least. Do you guys have any sources to back that up, since it doesn't strike me as very credible.

And no, [insert hunk] "forcing" himself on a woman who adores [insert hunk] does not count as "rape fantasy", because if that would happen, said woman would be very cooperative and [insert hunk] wouldn't have to force anything.

[HoreTore]

This example (and I personally consider such remarks to be of rather poor taste) actually rather proves that "rape" is about power and control and not about sex.

Rape is about power and control, not sex, who doesn't know that in this age? Roleplay rape on the other hand, has nothing to do with actual rape, but everything to do with sex.

All these claims about most women having rape fantasies disturb me, to say the least. Do you guys have any sources to back that up, since it doesn't strike me as very credible.

Personal experience mostly, sorry.

[Beskar]

Personal experience mostly, sorry.

You was given a seeing to by Big Bubba and you worked out you enjoyed it, from the experience?

[HoreTore]

You was given a seeing to by Big Bubba and you worked out you enjoyed it, from the experience?

Hah! Sadly, no, just conversations with various women......

EDIT: Oh, and Cupido, a "text-based" porn mag(hardly any pics, lots of erotic stories and articles on sex) had playrape as their theme either this month or the previous, I can't remember exactly...

EDIT2: And no I don't know that because I buy it(the internet was still free last time I checked), I know it because we sell them at work

EDIT3: No, I don't work at a smut shop, I work at a gas station.

[Fragony]

actually

edit: oh damnit you ruined my joke

[Scienter]

I guess it depends on what games you play or what kind of porn you watch.

All these claims about most women having rape fantasies disturb me, to say the least. Do you guys have any sources to back that up, since it doesn't strike me as very credible.

I can only speak for myself and the close friends I talk about sex with, but I don't know anyone who has rape fantasies. These are separate from 'getting rough' or BDSM. Rape is an act of violence against a woman, has nothing to do with sex. That said, I'm sure some women DO have them, but I really can't believe that it's common.

And no, [insert hunk] "forcing" himself on a woman who adores [insert hunk] does not count as "rape fantasy", because if that would happen, said woman would be very cooperative and [insert hunk] wouldn't have to force anything.

Agreed.

[HoreTore]

I can only speak for myself and the close friends I talk about sex with, but I don't know anyone who has rape fantasies. These are separate from 'getting rough' or BDSM. Rape is an act of violence against a woman, has nothing to do with sex. That said, I'm sure some women DO have them, but I really can't believe that it's common.

A rape fantasy isn't about a real rape, whatever gave you that idea...?

[Scienter]

A rape fantasy isn't about a real rape, whatever gave you that idea...?

There is no such thing as "pretend rape." I agree w/ Viking's post. By definition you can't have consensual rape.

[HoreTore]

There is no such thing as "pretend rape." I agree w/ Viking's post. By definition you can't have consensual rape.

*Sigh*......

I'm not sure whether I should bother to explain this, but anyway....

I'll use one woman's playrape fantasy as an example:

The way she wanted it, was that she would decide a timeframe, let's say monday to wednesday. During that timeframe, someone would "break in" with ski mask and all that and "rape" her. Ie. making it as realistic as a rape as possible.

But of course it wouldn't be a real rape, as the person would've been a sexual partner and everything would've been decided beforehand.

Why this thread has confused actual rape with roleplaying is beyond my imagination, really.

Google "Playrape" and I'm sure you'll find some erotic stories that should explain the phenomenon for you.

And Viking is from Bergen, you can't listen to people from there....

[Fragony]

That said, I'm sure some women DO have them, but I really can't believe that it's common.

More like not taking no for an answer, adults like to have fun as well. What is the problem it is perfectly harmless. All work no play makes Jack a very dull boy.

"Rape culture is the myriad ways in which rape is tacitly and overtly abetted and encouraged having saturated every corner of our culture so thoroughly that people can't easily wrap their heads around what the rape culture actually is." For me, seeing the word "rape" used to mean something other than non-consensual sex is disturbing.

Rape is known to be a weapon of war, how much harder can you hit someone. But we aren't talking about actual rape, is sado-masochism really torture or is it just a game, same here. Is sadism a word you can deal with without it's context.

[TinCow]

More like not taking no for an answer, adults like to have fun as well. What is the problem it is perfectly harmless. All work no play makes Jack a very dull boy.

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But we aren't talking about actual rape, is sado-masochism really torture or is it just a game, same here. Is sadism a word you can deal with without it's context.

I understand what you're talking about here, but you're putting yourself in the disturbing position of allowing the man to interpret when no means yes. That's what results in date rape. No means no, period, unless it's part of BDSM play and there's a safe-word involved.

[Andres]

During that timeframe, someone would "break in" with ski mask

Kadagar_AV?

No means no, period,

Indeed.

Not taking no for an answer is pretty much the definition of a rapist.


If you're playing a naughty game, then the rules have to be agreed on first. Even when playing a game, no means no.