Video games 'worse' than porn

[Fragony]

Not that odd a claim unless it's rape-porn or something similar.

//expects Horetore to show up

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Not that odd a claim unless it's rape-porn or something similar.

//expects Horetore to show up

Agreed, there's some twisted stuff out there, but, principally, we expect most people to have sex; we don't expect them to fight their way through the Zombie Apocalypse.

[Fragony]

Agreed, there's some twisted stuff out there, but, principally, we expect most people to have sex; we don't expect them to fight their way through the Zombie Apocalypse.

Violence is somewhat sexual in nature as well, but even after watching violent porn (if that is your thing, know of at least one very respectable orgah who does) that emotion ends up somewhere else, then it's gone it has been relieved. But I don't believe playing ultra-violent video-games aren't totally harmless for those already on the edge. Short burst vs prolonged exposure.

[Beskar]

I don't see porn and video games as being bad (at a user end as such). But if I had to choose, porn would obviously be worse as it involved real people and a lot of the porn industry is a very dirty, very corrupt and a very exploitive buisness.

So in otherwords, porn is worse than video games as no humans were hurt in the process of a video game.

[HoreTore]

Not that odd a claim unless it's rape-porn or something similar.

Rape is actually a very common female fantasy. Roleplay rape of course, not actual rape. I guess it's the "ultimate submission" thingy.

//expects Horetore to show up

I didn't really have anything to add... But this comment made me

[Mithrandir]

Rape is actually a very common female fantasy. Roleplay rape of course, not actual rape. I guess it's the "ultimate submission" thingy.

[Ronin]

Most violent games are 18+ so they are not for kids anyway....

it´s kind of a pointless comment.

I have to agree that the most important question is "which one is more awesome anyway?"

[Fragony]

It is... we had a conversation somewhat like this a while back, the Lemur nailed :'Brad Pitt showing up at your door and not taking no for an answer'. Some are more dominant than others and some like that. People have rape fantasy's, doubt you don't.

[Mithrandir]

It is... we had a conversation somewhat like this a while back, the Lemur nailed :'Brad Pitt showing up at your door and not taking no for an answer'. Some are more dominant than others and some like that. People have rape fantasy's, doubt you don't.

You'd completely change your mind if someone close to you was raped and you knew what impact it had on their lives.

To say I'm offended by your statement wouldn't be quite correct, but I don't like it whatsoever.
Not the fact that it's directed at me, but the fact that you think it's normal to have rape fantasies.

Oh come on, get off your high horse. I'm 100% sure that you do sexual stuff other people would label disgusting too. We all do that "disgusting" stuff.

Maybe, but never something which goes against the will of the other, ruining complete lives.

I'll won't respond to this topic anymore since no good will come of it. But please be sensitive to the subject and know what enormous impact such a dispicable act can have on peoples lives. Please don't make it seem like something "normal" to consider or fantasize about.

[HoreTore]

Maybe, but never something which goes against the will of the other, ruining complete lives.

I'll won't respond to this topic anymore since no good will come of it. But please be sensitive to the subject and know what enormous impact such a dispicable act can have on peoples lives. Please don't make it seem like something "normal" to consider or fantasize about.

Goes against the will of another?

Please, do read my post again.

[Fragony]

You'd completely change your mind if someone close to you was raped and you knew what impact it had on their lives.

It is just a fantasy, and yeah I know a person like that. Got to know the person who did it as well.

[Beskar]

Rape is actually a very common female fantasy. Roleplay rape of course, not actual rape. I guess it's the "ultimate submission" thingy.

Actually, I would argue it would be the feelings of desire/being wanted and being taken by some one you want to be taken by.

So it is not actually rape at all. As in rape, you are being taken by someone which you don't, which is a complete contradictionary in terms.

[HoreTore]

Oh come on, get off your high horse. I'm 100% sure that you do sexual stuff other people would label disgusting too. We all do that "disgusting" stuff.

[Beskar]

Though this was on the BBC website recently, as in, I just went on and saw it now.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/8455161.stm

[HoreTore]

Though this was on the BBC website recently, as in, I just went on and saw it now.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/8455161.stm

That sounds an awful lot like how we gave lower sentences for rapists if the victim was seen as promiscuous...

Can't say I like the look of it...

[Scienter]

I don't think it's a question of which is 'worse.' At the end of the day, it's the parents' responsibility to make sure the kids don't see the stuff that parents don't approve of.

I hear parents rant about how dreadful video games are, and then when I go to the store I see parents buying GTA for their kid, who is not tall enough to see the top of the counter. Games have a rating system, people need to learn what the ratings mean. There are parent-oriented game review sites out there that go into detail about the content of the games.

I agree with Beskar that porn is a shady business. But, the idea of porn is not "bad" IMO, so long as the people making it aren't being hurt. Again, I think the responsibility for keeping kids away from porn lies with the parents.

I think that the US has it backwards when it comes to sex and violence. Movies can contain a ton of violence, torture, etc., and be PG-13, but if an otherwise harmless movie shows a boob for long enough, it gets an R.

Sorry for lack of coherence, I just got up.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Rape is actually a very common female fantasy. Roleplay rape of course, not actual rape. I guess it's the "ultimate submission" thingy.

Actual Rape is about Power and control, about forcing your will on others. It isn't about sex and power. Now, being ravaged probably is a not uncommon female fantasy, but that's different.

[HoreTore]

Actual Rape is about Power and control, about forcing your will on others. It isn't about sex and power. Now, being ravaged probably is a not uncommon female fantasy, but that's different.

No, I'm talking about roleplaying a rape, not "getting rough".

[Fragony]

Actual Rape is about Power and control, about forcing your will on others. It isn't about sex and power. Now, being ravaged probably is a not uncommon female fantasy, but that's different.

Why does such a thing such as sado-machosism exist, or any other fetish really. The desire to take or to be taken is deeply rooted in the fantasy-world of both sexes and some will give in to excesses. Just look at the language, always helps, you will always find a violent or dominating undertone 'taken' 'mounted', just as you will always find sexual insinuation in excessive violence. Did I just beat you at COD4? No I raped you.

[Ser Clegane]

Did I just beat you at COD4? No I raped you.

This example (and I personally consider such remarks to be of rather poor taste) actually rather proves that "rape" is about power and control and not about sex.

[Fragony]

This example (and I personally consider such remarks to be of rather poor taste) actually rather proves that "rape" is about power and control and not about sex.

Sorry I was trying to make a point. Yes of course but power/overpowered is where the fantasy lies, it is just a bedtime fantasy, role-play. It isn't my thing but there is nothing wrong with it.

edit: example was to prove it's an unconcious way we look at things, if you look for innuendo in violence you will find a lot of it it, in every language. .

[Scienter]

Why does such a thing such as sado-machosism exist, or any other fetish really. The desire to take or to be taken is deeply rooted in the fantasy-world of both sexes and some will give in to excesses. Just look at the language, always helps, you will always find a violent or dominating undertone 'taken' 'mounted', just as you will always find sexual insinuation in excessive violence. Did I just beat you at COD4? No I raped you.

"Rape culture is the myriad ways in which rape is tacitly and overtly abetted and encouraged having saturated every corner of our culture so thoroughly that people can't easily wrap their heads around what the rape culture actually is." For me, seeing the word "rape" used to mean something other than non-consensual sex is disturbing.

I don't necessarily agree with everything in that link I posted, but the author has an excellent point in that quote I pasted in.

[Beskar]

For me, seeing the word "rape" used to mean something other than non-consensual sex is disturbing.

I wouldn't say "disturbing" because it doesn't give me an emotional response of disgust or being disurbed. For example as some one said in Call of Duty example, all it shows to me that the speaker is simply a 13 year old child trying to be 'cool' in otherwords, it just makes me have a low impression of the user.

Some of the other things are an expanded definition but yes, rape is "non-consensal sex" and is always that, it doesn't mean anything else.

Like some one pointed out (Andres, I think), having Bratt Pitt come to your door saying he wants to do the deed, for a female, it would be consensual right on the spot for many of them. This is far closer to the definition of "getting ravished"

Again, "playrape" is consensual sex while pretending it is not. It isn't actually rape. This would go more under roleplaying.

[Fragony]

What the hell is wrong with you people, didn't we make clear, well at least a number of times, that it is just a fantasy? Yes because the word ' rape' means so much it's that much hotter when being dominated if that is your thing no? Makes no sense to you? Let them be, or feel dirty at your next performance of whatever shakespeare