Video games 'worse' than porn

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Andres:

Here's a piece on research regarding the prevalence of the "rape fantasy" among women. It seems that figures vary between 19 and 57% depending on age and study. Suggests that it is a fantasy experience during masturbation for a significant minority of women.


Re: Porn versus video violence:


Video game violence is aimed at the 10-20 age frame and at a primarily male audience (ratings be snookered, let's deal with reality). As such, it interacts with puberty issues -- and research on its impact has been chaotic at best. Is society better served by teaching our young to lead zombies by the correct distance to insure a head shot? Probably not. However, little research indicates that a relatively stable person will become unstable by consuming this form of entertainment.

Porn is aimed at anyone who will pay for it. Setting aside the loathesome subset of that industry that caters to pererasts and other such vermin, it is an industry whose participants are legal adults, compensated for their efforts, and can be presumed to function under the concepts of assumption of risk/informed consent. That said, it is an industry rife with drug use and soul-deadening exploitation that tends to consume its "talent" and provide few rewards save for the profits of the distributors.

Few parents would be happy with their child choosing such a career -- however legal or well compensated -- even if they have no "hangups" whatsoever about sex etc.

[Beskar]

Andres:

Here's a piece on research regarding the prevalence of the "rape fantasy" among women. It seems that figures vary between 19 and 57% depending on age and study. Suggests that it is a fantasy experience during masturbation for a significant minority of women.

That is a pretty poor study then, the obvious big criticism is that a fantasy to get ravished by Brad Pitt =/= Rape.

The study is fundamentally incorrect.

To quote:

For example, Strassberg and Lockerd (1998) found the following themes to be similar in prevalence to rape fantasies: "I imagine myself delighting many men," and "I pretend that I am another irresistibly sexy female."

That is not rape.

[Ser Clegane]

That is not rape.

They do not claim that this is rape. If you look at the full quote it is very obvious that they clearly distinguish between these "desirability fantasies" and "rape fantasies". The key point of the quote with regard to "rape fantasies" is the part I bolded.

It seems likely that desirability contributes to the occurrence of rape fantasies, but there are other fantasy themes that also, and perhaps more directly, focus on the woman's desirability. For example, Strassberg and Lockerd (1998) found the following themes to be similar in prevalence to rape fantasies: "I imagine myself delighting many men," and "I pretend that I am another irresistibly sexy female." Desirability theory could be tested by determining whether women who have rape fantasies are also more likely than other women to have other desirability fantasies.

[Beskar]

oops, that was a hiccup on my part then for skim reading.

But as you stated in your other post:

From the viewpoint of the fantasizer, a type of implicit consent has been given.

Therefore, it is not rape.

[HoreTore]

Therefore, it is not rape.

Only those who have been decrying rape fantasies here have been talking about rape, Beskar....

We others have been talking about something quite different.

[Jolt]

Here is my very own test about whether you think rape is a taboo that shouldn't be discussed, made fun of or portrayed in any other way than what you consider is real rape.

***DISCLAIMERS***
This video is (obviously) a comical sketch, however taking into account the opinions I've read here, this video might be somewhat shocking to the said people, even if it doesn't show any rape. As such, if you think you will be shocked by the mocking of raping, then do NOT see this video.

I have become curious to see to what length do people think it is innappropriate to make fun of, or even speak or use the word of "rape" for any other thing except real rape.

I find the video humourous, and do not see anything wrong with it. In lieu of what I read here, I would like to hear the opinions of other orgahs if this sketch is offensive in any way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fcb-3xmYIA

[Viking]

Only those who have been decrying rape fantasies here have been talking about rape, Beskar....

We others have been talking about something quite different.

That's why they are not "rape fantasies", it is in fact fantasies of being owerpowered according to own desire; which is something completely different.

[Husar]

Uhm, is this perhaps comparable to how we all play wargames and (maybe) dream of being super soldiers but wouldn't really want to be in a real war and actually do it, some people dream about getting raped(in a simulated way, like war is simulated in games) because it turns them on, yet don't really, seriously want to get raped by some stranger?

Just saying there might be a connection, we fantasize about all sorts of things that we'd rather keep simulated instead of getting the "real deal".

[HoreTore]

That's why they are not "rape fantasies", it is in fact fantasies of being owerpowered according to own desire; which is something completely different.

Yes, and Sylfest Lomheim wants us to say "totusenogti".

Not going to happen, Viking. Ever.

[KukriKhan]

Only those who have been decrying rape fantasies here have been talking about rape, Beskar....

We others have been talking about something quite different.

And to be clear, I did not decry so-called rape fantasies; rather, I pleaded for some sympathy for those members of the org who have either been raped, or had someone they care about raped. There are at least 3 such people I am aware of, who read this forum. It's a horrible experience for both the victim and those who care about him or her. I speak from experience there.

All I wanted was for posters to pause 2 seconds before submitting their contribution, and "read fantasize", imagine being the rape victim reading what I just wrote - do I still want to write it in just that way?

Were I decrying rape fantasies, this thread would have closed at page 1.

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Please carry on.

[A Very Super Market]

We are biologically inclined to have sex. Thus, we can argue that exposing children to porn (Or maybe, those extremely shady subgenres) would have a negative affect on their growth, as their first experience with the concept might involve a man in a monkey suit attempting to procreate with a shrill creature with breasts bounding across the room. This, or course, would be in contrast to a more natural introduction to the wonders of our biology, such as a ravishing and highly embarassing day at the pool.....

*ahem

Sexual development is probably one of the most important parts of our lives. Consider, how serial killers are more often than not killing simply to satisfy their perverse lust. Or just rapists in general. Nothing in our society is more polarising than sex. It can be the pinnacle of a relationship (I am not going to use "climax" anywhere in this post), just another day at the bar, or the ultimate demonstration of spite and malice. It's.... important. Seriously, the entire point of our existence is (Or was) to have sex.

Meanwhile, while we are entirely capable of violence, it isn't something we have an innate need for. The ones who do have one are dangerously insane, unlike the lovable lechers, simply acting out on some evolutionary necessity. Violence also tends to be spur of the moment, done with whatever implements we happen to find. Rocks, sticks, mounted singing Bass™, an unplanned murder doesn't follow a plan, and certainly leaves us with an incredible burden afterwards. We panic and freak out, rather than raise our wanted level and wait for some officers to bash our novelty fish item on.

A planned murder is something difference. Broken down, they fall mostly into Gangs, insane killers, and somewhat planned ones. We can do nothing about homicidal psychopaths but stop them. Gangs aren't motivated by, and certainly didn't start, because of video games. But killers who sort of plan their murders run the gamut. But while their actions can be influenced by games, as in, expecting to be able to run someone over and not damage their car, can we really determine if they are motivated by games? And if they are, are they simply pre-dispositioned to be vulnerable? I suppose you could say the same for rapists....

My mind fails me now, I can't articulate anymore. What is plainly in sight, however, the fact that there has already been a few generations of video gamers with no spike in massacres (Take into account the population growth here), as well as countless generations of erotic entertainment aficionados.

[Fragony]

All I wanted was for posters to pause 2 seconds before submitting their contribution, and "read fantasize", imagine being the rape victim reading what I just wrote - do I still want to write it in just that way?

Were I decrying rape fantasies, this thread would have closed at page 1.

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Please carry on.

How do you want me to call exactly the same thing, if someone knows someone who was tortured to death then doesn't SM exist anymore? I think we explained it well enough and made an obvious destinction.