Question about a Unit attribute

[bobbin]

It's odd but its true, lances have higher lethaility (0.4 usually) and AP also they can hit from a distance, all this makes them usually much more effective in meele that the secondary.

[mcantu]

It's odd but its true, lances have higher lethaility (0.4 usually) and AP also they can hit from a distance, all this makes them usually much more effective in meele that the secondary.

not when you take into account the very low attack score (after the charge bonus has run out). the lethality score only comes into play after a successful hit is made

[Grade_A_Beef]

No, I'm sure that it was taken into account. Despite the low attack it is still much much better than any of the secondaries that heavy cav has. The .38 and or higher lethality is just that big of a number.

That's why against enemy AI cataphract cav your best bet would be to use Dahae skirmisher cavalry or light axemen for their high defense skill....still gotta watch out for the charge though.

[vartan]

No, I'm sure that it was taken into account. Despite the low attack it is still much much better than any of the secondaries that heavy cav has. The .38 and or higher lethality is just that big of a number.

That's why against enemy AI cataphract cav your best bet would be to use Dahae skirmisher cavalry or light axemen for their high defense skill....still gotta watch out for the charge though.

Best screen for enemy cav charge is pikes in your face. Also, your own heavy cav should be able to take the charge. In any case you'll lose men to heavy cav in charge, don't doubt it. The only setback with using the lance in melee after charge is it only attacks once every blue moon, that's how slow the animation is. I personally alt-right-click charge when playing multiplayer (and make it such a habit that I even do it in single player), as a form of consistency and historical appreciation, etc. (y'all know what I mean ). I feel good today

[Grade_A_Beef]

Don't get me wrong, I switch my cavalry to secondaries as well. I'm just saying that the high lethality lances are the best against horses or TABs at the cataphract level of armor.

I tend to avoid sending my heavy cav to fight AI opponent heavy cav (though I have no qualms about it in MP, if I can ever figure out how to use hamachi) because heavy cav tend to have high armounts of armor. With armor halved (by AI default lances) they can be comparable to some medium cavalry like Tarabostes. IMO I'd prefer to preserve my heavy cavalry for use against stationary general units or heavy infantry/pikes and let axemen and Dahae deal with cataphract cavalry. High skill dampens the deadly effect of AP, and on top of all they're much much cheaper than heavy cav or other cataphract cav.

I don't have any fast units able to take their charge however, but a slight skirmish from the charge usually changes "charging" to "pursuing" and makes them much easier to deal with a split second later....

That and I don't trust any pikemen without axes to deal with cataphract cavalry. None at all. Pantodapoi Phalangitai and Machimoi are probably the only pikemen I use when facing off against that sort of cavalry. I learned my lesson the hard way when the Baktrian BG caused huge casualties to my Agryspides but got slaughtered mainly by my Pantodapoi Phalangitai right next to the Agryspides. Both took significant casualties but one was cheaper and much easier to replace....

[vartan]

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Don't get me wrong, I switch my cavalry to secondaries as well. I'm just saying that the high lethality lances are the best against horses or TABs at the cataphract level of armor.

I tend to avoid sending my heavy cav to fight AI opponent heavy cav (though I have no qualms about it in MP, if I can ever figure out how to use hamachi) because heavy cav tend to have high armounts of armor. With armor halved (by AI default lances) they can be comparable to some medium cavalry like Tarabostes. IMO I'd prefer to preserve my heavy cavalry for use against stationary general units or heavy infantry/pikes and let axemen and Dahae deal with cataphract cavalry. High skill dampens the deadly effect of AP, and on top of all they're much much cheaper than heavy cav or other cataphract cav.

I don't have any fast units able to take their charge however, but a slight skirmish from the charge usually changes "charging" to "pursuing" and makes them much easier to deal with a split second later....

That and I don't trust any pikemen without axes to deal with cataphract cavalry. None at all. Pantodapoi Phalangitai and Machimoi are probably the only pikemen I use when facing off against that sort of cavalry. I learned my lesson the hard way when the Baktrian BG caused huge casualties to my Agryspides but got slaughtered mainly by my Pantodapoi Phalangitai right next to the Agryspides. Both took significant casualties but one was cheaper and much easier to replace....

What's this TAB abbreviation I keep hearing? and Hamachi is simple enough, but limiting and restraining. Tunngle is not working at the moment, it's not on our side. Refer to my post here to learn more about Wippien. I used to think it was a Hamachi clone but I did my homework. We need people to get themselves signed into that and add each other (we'll be forming a list of people with Wippien accounts) {off-topic, but just replying to your Hamachi note}.

[WinsingtonIII]

What's this TAB abbreviation I keep hearing?

TAB is just short hand for the Thorakitai Agematos Basilikou (Hellenic Elite Spearmen) of the Arche Seleukia, you know (I'm sure you already do), the extraordinarily heavily armored elite spearmen draped in chain mail. I believe Grade A Beef was merely referencing them as an example of an extremely heavily armored unit against which high lethality lances are the most effective cavalry weapon as opposed to secondaries.