Casse Rivals- A proposition

[A Very Super Market]

You don't seem to be getting the point. Yes, certain greek cities were indeed quite powerful. But they never did join together to create a confederation, as history demonstrates.

[moonburn]

You don't seem to be getting the point. Yes, certain greek cities were indeed quite powerful. But they never did join together to create a confederation, as history demonstrates.

and thus i wanna gave it a try on the what if they did i mean they where greeks afterall they couldn´t be oblivion to the concept of league alliances and since most of their primary concerns where around trade routes (at least the smaller more isolate places i don´t mean places as tarentum or syracuse who had a developed farming and pretty sophisticated societal bonds ) one can´t ignore that a powerfull combined navy and a strong numerous army did help to open new trade routes or close them to their enemies

one must remember that the poeni closed the strait to the greeks or took alalia because they where united and strong

damm i even have an aar on my head with nice letters from the syracusan greeks to emporion or arse explaining that they need their armies and war navies once every 5 years and when they do they don´t provide the desired results but if they accept to join the alliance their army and navy will be part of a great powerfull force that will help protect other greeks open trade routes give them bigger profits and when that time comes once every 5 years that they need their army or navy they will be there 10 times more numerous then if they stood alone and kicking ass in the name of emporion

after 272 everything goes in terms of politics wars and who gets to live on and who gets to die

[Brennus]

But if you are going to use a faction slot to create a hypothetical Western Greek league which, aside from never existing in 272, never existed in reality, then you may as well give weight to confederecies and alliances that existed after 272 but never the less existed, the Caledonians, the Brigantes, the Aetolians, or even (to bring this thread in one big loop) give a faction slot to a group we definately know existed but whose year of origin is debateable ie the Atrebates.

[Brennus]

And if I may say with the announcement of the Bosporan kingdom and the high likelyhood of Pergamon being included there is a danger of EBII becoming too Hellono-centric, do'nt get me wrong the Seleukids are one of my favourite factions and i really like Epirus and Macedon but i would much rather see some new "barbarian" factions than more Hellenes.

[bobbin]

Pergamon has already been confirmed, it was the first faction to be revealed.
Given the time it is set in EB was always going to be fairly Helleno-centric but I think we have reached or are near the natural limit for hellenic factions, only Kyrene and Syrakousai could be conceivably added to their number.

[Brennus]

And thus with the addition of Pergamon the Arche Seleukia difficulty moves from "very challenging" to "nigh impossible".

[WinsingtonIII]

With all due respect, moonburn, keep in mind that if you really want to play as a Western Mediterranean Greek state, you can always start a KH campaign where you migrate them to Syracuse or Massalia at the beginning of the game, and then go into the edu (or whatever it's called) and change the faction name and color. It seems that in this situation you would get access to most of the units you would probably be able to recruit if a Syracuse faction was included anyways. I think it's a pretty easy solution, the only downside being that the KH will not exist in your campaign, but frankly I rarely see them expand much anyways. If you want more, then try to drum up support for a minimod. If the Galatians are not included, I think you will certainly be able to find support for creating a minimod that adds the Galatians and a Western Greek league of some sort.

Also, I agree with Brennus, although any mod focusing on the Hellenistic Era will certainly be Helleno-centric to some extent, I think we've got enough Hellenic factions as it is. Nine is quite a bunch.

[bobbin]

and thus i wanna gave it a try on the what if they did i mean they where greeks afterall they couldn´t be oblivion to the concept of league alliances.....

Please use punctuation, it makes reading posts much easier on the eye and brain.

The point is that they never had or showed any inclination to form such alliances during their history. This makes any what if ? scenario for a western greek alliance completely divorced from the prevoius history, not to mention that the EB team like to keep clear of what if scenarios all together.

At the end of the day it has been stated that such a faction will not be included so we are going to have to live with that, you could always make a minimod when EB2 gets released.