The Geert Wilders trial

**Tellos Athenaios** · 01-21-2010, 13:04

It is not at all clear cut whether or not Wilders' more extreme/rabid pronouncements were well within the law: a lot of that depends on context, and there is a significant difference between e.g. an argument about the Quran as an insidious violence-condoning disgrace to humanity comparing it with Mein Kampf; and e.g. an argument about the Quran as such a book in a broader diatribe against immigrants. EDIT: Basically the judge's verdict amounts to that: a better, more thorough verdict beside OM's assesment on whether or not Wilders' was guilty of the charges must be established; and to do so requires a full trial, by law.

IIRC: Nobody accused Sibbel & Jansen for their show in which they slammed the doomed-to-failure proposals by overzealous CDA types to explicitly forbid blasphemy by using a deliberately blasphemous portrayal of Mohamed (and lets face it that portrayal was scarcely more of a hagiography than is Wilders portrayal of the same Mohamed); nobody filed a complaint about that.

At any rate: It is likely that he would be cleared of all charges (which is why OM didn't prosecute in the first place) but that is a different matter.

**Fragony** · 01-21-2010, 13:19

I don't think they are, but I am not lawyer mind you, but I don't see anything coming from this except more seats which is fine with me (vote for PVV myself) I don't know Sibbel & Jansen but if they work for the state-television it's hardly surprising they didn't get any trouble over it like Gregorius Nekschot did. Juridically this is going to be interesting, politically things have been interesting for quite some time.

**Tellos Athenaios** · 01-21-2010, 13:26

Sibbel has stage name Lebbis; they both earn their living on stage similar to Nahjib Amhali, Theo Maassen etc. That should remind you of who they are.

**Fragony** · 01-21-2010, 13:34

I don't watch tv, sorry never heard of them, sounds refreshing though. Know what you are talking about though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvOS...rom=PL&index=1

love this guy

**Skullheadhq** · 01-21-2010, 13:39

This trial will only increase it's popularity and votes, so why complain?

**Fragony** · 01-21-2010, 13:50

Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

This trial will only increase it's popularity and votes, so why complain?

Because they won't play fair and won't keep the debate where it belongs, and the parliament is where that is. They will use every trick at their disposal to be able to keep doing nothing. They did the same thing with Fortuyn, this has nothing to do with ideas on how to run a country but with a sick and tired political elite caught in their own game fighting for their existence by any means necesary.

If "having your heart at the right place" includes a ruthless lust for power and an inexplicable hatred for people of a different background, then I respectfully decline.

As long as lefties feel the need to cater every backward aspect of Islam I respectfully decline as well, he is quite popular among immigrants by the way, also muslims coming from hardline islamic society's like Iran. At this moment I don't really care what he kicks as long as he keeps doing it, we need a new government, I feel cornered and I will scratch and bite to get out.

**The Wizard** · 01-21-2010, 13:54

I disagree. Most of the people who got the DA to charge him are most certainly not part of the political-bureaucratic elite (PvdA, VVD, CDA) you speak of. Just admit already that Wilders does more than simply be the brave knight fighting the seven-headed hydra of political incompetence called our current cabinet. Which, I might add, he doesn't do in the first place.