earlier marian reform

**Salahedin** · 01-23-2010, 01:12

playing as the romani, I changed the script to have the marian reform happen earlier, because... it's too long to wait with a slow laptop and hard refraining myself to win the game before it. It is surely not historical, but past 200bc there is not much left of historical evolution.
So I wanted them to happen in 192bc, just to enjoy the use of these cohors reformata. I did only change the numbers of turn in the ebbs_script (Rome - Total War\EB\Data\scripts\show_me\ebbs_script), as follow :

under "Marian trigger", "conditional reform" :

;Conditional Reforms
monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType seleucid
and I_CompareCounter Romanii_Reform = 1
and I_CompareCounter Latifundia > 6
and I_TurnNumber > 319
and I_NumberOfSettlements seleucid > 44
;and BattlesFought > 249
and I_CompareCounter ReformatorCounter = 1

I changed the turn number from 399 to 319, making it 20 years earlier (80 turns), from 172bc to 192bc -correct me if I'm wrong.

Before that I tried, with a game saved in 178bc and all requirements needed, to make it happen in 177bc, and it worked (changed turn 379), I got the reform, the barracks, and could recruit marian cohorts. So it seems to be save-game compatible too.

The only questions here are... did I forgot something? Is this reliable to play? Will it affects the Augustian reforms?

I'm starting a whole new campaign on huge size to see if it's ok... but maybe you could prevent me from losing time!

Thanks!

Ah and by the way, does anyone has successfuly modded the game to give polybians principes lorica segmentata?
Ouch! Argh! Stop throwing pila, just kidding!

**Weebeast** · 01-23-2010, 07:46

Will it affects the Augustian reforms?

No but that reform is so hard to get it wouldn't matter much. If one of your family members sneeze in public you wont get Augustan reform.

By the way if you must play with Marian legions I suggest editing the unconditional reform instead and lower the number of provinces you need to hold to trigger it. It's surely would suck after sometime modding the script only to find out you're still not getting the reform cus all your generals suck and/or not popularis. It's rather fitting too cus in real life the reform happened cus Rome got too big (but not 90 city kinda big lol).

**Macilrille** · 01-23-2010, 11:15

Uhhhh.... I feel a long historical rant coming up on the Marian reforms...

A bit OT and I just got up, so I will probably control myself.

**Weebeast** · 01-24-2010, 00:28

Did I say something wrong? Sounds like free lecture. How can I resist?

Well it happend because of many things. Marius wanted more than 'conscripts' who just pick up arms in times of invasion in the city of Rome itself. He wanted leet soldiers who train all year round. The early Republican system limited the recruitment pool to just property-owning Romans which was depleted due to conflicts in previous years. Slaves 'stole' job from poor Romans so they were never eligible to serve as they would never meet the strict requirements of owning things and all that.

If you were to sum it up in one sentence though I think it's ok to say Rome got too big. Marius needed an army to campaign in Numidia after all.