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    What does Ayers have to do with anything being discussed in this thread? DD, did you take your medication today?
    Lemur, personal attack deleted listern... His "I get it" speech showed that he DOESN'T get it. And I'm glad because his arrogance and his lust for power, as shown by his open disdain of the Supreme Court for everyone except perhaps for you to see, will be his downfall and along with all of his leftist buddies that have stunk up the Legislative and Executive branches. The Founding Fathers in there wisdom created a government of checks and balances to keep people like Obama or Bush from completely destroying the foundation of our nation. The government is way too big but Obama wants more. He talks about listening to those that oppose him but he shuts out the opposition from meetings and discussions. Do you think its "fair" the union workers should keep their healthcare while others get rationed or that certain states are exempt from paying into a system that won't be availiable for 7 years? I know you're in love but you're a smart guy, how can you sit here act as though this guy craps gold nuggets and pisses lemonaid?
    His speech rang hollow and just because the guys reads well off a teleprompter and doesn't make him the intellectual giant you claim him to be. Again, I want to know his GPA in school and see if he earned where he was at or if his just another affirmative action hire used as a puppet for the George Soros's of the world to purposely destroy this country and its economy. I remember just before the election he said "We are ..Days Away From Fundamentally Transforming The United States of America". If he loves the United States so much, why the hell would he want to fundamentally change it? Do you think it needs to be "fundamentally" changed? What the hell is wrong you you Obama worshippers?
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    And I'm glad because his arrogance and his lust for power, as shown by his open disdain of the Supreme Court
    True, no decent American would do such a thing.


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    Jefferson is different; unlike the vast majority of today's politicians, he actually cared about the constitution. Also, it doesn't say he criticized the judge in his state of the union notes (they didn't give speeches back then. Thanks for nothing Wilson).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    Jefferson is different; unlike the vast majority of today's politicians, he actually cared about the constitution. Also, it doesn't say he criticized the judge in his state of the union notes (they didn't give speeches back then. Thanks for nothing Wilson).
    You need to read up more on Marbury v. Madison. There has never been any incident in US history that has ever resulted in more venom and bad blood between SCOTUS and POTUS than that case. Jefferson, to his dying day, believed that Marbury would entirely destroy the balance of power in the government and result in a judicial dictatorship. He was pretty vocal about it too.

    Right or wrong, SCOTUS is one of three equal branches of our government. They are humans, and they are part of the checks and balances system. SCOTUS can be overruled by Congress and the States via Amendments specifically because SCOTUS is not infallible. To claim that SCOTUS should somehow be immune to criticism by the Executive and Legislative Branches is to accord them a special status which does not exist. I don't see anyone complaining about Obama's criticisms of Congress; the difference being made for SCOTUS is totally nonsensical.

    And for the record, I agree with the SCOTUS decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TinCow View Post
    You need to read up more on Marbury v. Madison. There has never been any incident in US history that has ever resulted in more venom and bad blood between SCOTUS and POTUS than that case. Jefferson, to his dying day, believed that Marbury would entirely destroy the balance of power in the government and result in a judicial dictatorship. He was pretty vocal about it too.
    Well maybe you should've linked to something besides wikipedia, which had very little on any of that.

    Right or wrong, SCOTUS is one of three equal branches of our government. They are humans, and they are part of the checks and balances system. SCOTUS can be overruled by Congress and the States via Amendments specifically because SCOTUS is not infallible. To claim that SCOTUS should somehow be immune to criticism by the Executive and Legislative Branches is to accord them a special status which does not exist. I don't see anyone complaining about Obama's criticisms of Congress; the difference being made for SCOTUS is totally nonsensical.

    And for the record, I agree with the SCOTUS decision.
    I'm saying doing it during the SOTU address was not classy, not that SCOTUS should be above criticism.

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    SCOTUS...SOTU...POTUS... What is with the recent assault of new acronyms? Like the government doesn't have enough already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    I'm saying doing it during the SOTU address was not classy, not that SCOTUS should be above criticism.
    Obama heaped a lot more criticism on Congress during that speech than he did on SCOTUS. Was that wrong too?

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    SCOTUS...SOTU...POTUS... What is with the recent assault of new acronyms? Like the government doesn't have enough already.
    SCOTUS and POTUS are both standard abbreviations in government and legal areas, they're not new. I will admit I'd never seen SOTU until now though.


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    I figured that might be the case TinCow, but their use here at the Org is recent and growing. I blame Kukri - at least he's was the first use of POTUS several months ago (that I can remember).
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    Obama heaped a lot more criticism on Congress during that speech than he did on SCOTUS. Was that wrong too?
    No.

    SCOTUS and POTUS are both standard abbreviations in government and legal areas, they're not new. I will admit I'd never seen SOTU until now though.
    The POTUS PO'D SCOTUS in the SOTU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    Jefferson is different; unlike the vast majority of today's politicians, he actually cared about the constitution. Also, it doesn't say he criticized the judge in his state of the union notes (they didn't give speeches back then. Thanks for nothing Wilson).

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    Honestly, I don't know why there isn't more public criticism of decisions that are percieved as bad. It would be a bit ironic to judge Obama on calling a bad judicial decision out in public when I wish Republican presidents would do the same things on a regular basis. I disagree with this particular criticism. but wish there were more direct, less cushy relationships in government. Everytime I see a gathering it feels liek the whole group is gaming us, lets see them rip one another apart so that congress feels less like a club house of friends and mroe like a place where opposing parties argue their case and chastize those who make crap decisions.
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