Archery animations

[-Praetor-]

@ -Praetor-

I don't really understand. Do ancient vase paintings and such suggest that archers would do a "jerking hand motion" upon releasing the arrow?

No.

Or are you simply saying that since there isn't any proof of such a tecnique not being used, it can't be called incorrect to have it in EB?

No, we're using it because that's the natural motion of the upper body when you accumulate tension and you release it suddenly.

BTW, that's precisely the argument that I'm using against the opposite: There's no evidence of the technique of standing still after a shot was used in old times, so we can't use it on EB with certainty.

[Paltmull]

Oh.

[-Praetor-]

But as I say, nothing is carved in stone. If it isn't much work, we can change it, provided the medicine is better than the sickness.

[Tuuvi]

No, we're using it because that's the natural motion of the upper body when you accumulate tension and you release it suddenly.

I'm not so sure this applies when shooting a bow. I've never experienced that kind of motion or had to suppress it while shooting. What I've experienced is that maintaining good follow through doesn't take a lot of physical effort, just knowing and remembering is enough. Now you could say it's because I'm used to shooting that way, but I don't think this is the case. Today I tried shooting shooting right handed (I'm left handed) and I don't remember feeling any sort of jerking sensation in my right arm or shoulder upon release. I could be wrong though, I'll have to pay more attention to my physical movements next time I'm shooting to know for sure.

[antisocialmunky]

I don't think either of you is wrong. It probably depends on the person and equipment used and other conditions(fatigue most likely):

Compare this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVZC...ayer_embedded#

To some of these releases from 3 different people taken over a period of 1 afternoon distance shooting and target shooting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsbp...eature=related

You'll notice that even the same person has variation on the releases. The only one that is close to consistently 'jerky' is the guy with the massive 125lber. You have a variety of releases. You have one where the hand travels with the string, you have one where the guy releases laterally and one where the hand jerks. All these things happen to different degrees in each shot.

So really the correct solution would be to have many diifferent animations for different bow draw strengths but I suspect that would be a lot of effort.

Looks good non-the less.

ps. The guy in #1 kinda has a woosy bow compared to the above.

[Tuuvi]

The video you posted and the second video I posted are both from the same people. Yes sometimes they do jerk a little bit, but in my humble opinion the EB animations are a little over the top.

So really the correct solution would be to have many diifferent animations for different bow draw strengths but I suspect that would be a lot of effort.

What the EB team could do is have two different animations: one for cultures that have a tradition in archery warfare, and an animation for cultures that don't. As I understand it cultures that had an archery warfare tradition would have bows made specifically for war; these bows would have had high draw weights like the ones in the longbow videos you and I posted. Archers in other cultures were mostly hunters levyed into temporary military service and so would have been carrying their hunting bows which had lower draw weights.

[antisocialmunky]

How about less Anglo-Centric stuff?

Turkish Thumb Release as opposed to the semi-jerky 2/3 finger release used on those heavier LBows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNK-6Hn0uiw

For Show Rapid Fire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVYy...eature=related

Different archery animations for different groups would be nice. :)

[-Praetor-]

We currently have got plenty archery animations:

1º) Taking arrows from left sided quiver
2º) Taking arrows from right sided quiver
3º) Taking arrows from the quiver on the back

Not counting other variations like:

A) Draw to the chest
B) Draw to the cheek

And you want to add another variable such as different jerking motions?

[paullus]

We do have different archer animations for different cultures.

[geala]

For me it would not be worth the effort to create even more animations. However the mentioned movement of the archer is a bit over the top in my opinion. When shooting it is not necessary to make it because you just open the fingers to release, at least I never have to compensate like this whatever style I shoot (three fingers, two fingers Greek or thumb. Maybe it depends on bow strength, I shoot a reconstructed horn and sinew bow of just 55 lbs). Change here would not be very high on my list nevertheless.

What makes me a bit more perplexed is however the slinger aninmation. I cannot imagine how to build speed with this technique. The arm is extended to the back, then they seem to rotate perpendicular to the direction of shooting, then they bring the arm to the fore and release. Strange. And very cruel to arm and hand I guess. I sling myself and am used to different styles but never practised this before. I also cannot connect it with the ancient images of slingers I've seen till now. Have you (maybe ancient) references for it, would be very interesting?

[Tuuvi]

We do have different archer animations for different cultures.

I didn't know that, very cool