Using a thief to catch thieves?

[Crazed Rabbit]

It is, they tested it and their lawyers said it's within the law, maybe not swiss law but then who cares about that?

So, they couldn't legally pay someone to break into a Swiss Bank and steal data so the government could get money, but they can pay someone who has broken into a bank and stolen data so the government can get data? How very convenient for them.

Any English link to the news?

Is it Germany's responsibility to uphold Switzerlands laws?

No, the point is that Germany is buying data from a criminal that it could not otherwise legally obtain.

In short, contracting out certain aspects of law enforcement to criminals with bounties.

CR

[HoreTore]

So, they couldn't legally pay someone to break into a Swiss Bank and steal data so the government could get money, but they can pay someone who has broken into a bank and stolen data so the government can get data? How very convenient for them.

Any English link to the news?



No, the point is that Germany is buying data from a criminal that it could not otherwise legally obtain.

In short, contracting out certain aspects of law enforcement to criminals with bounties.

CR

Bah. I fully support any law that will make it legal to break into the records of tax havens and money laundering sites, so bah.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Bah. I fully support any law that will make it legal to break into the records of tax havens and money laundering sites, so bah.

So I'd trust you'd have no problem with the US making it legal for CIA agents to sneak into Norway and capture alleged terrorists? Think of it as making it legal to break into terrorist havens and bring terrorists to justice.

Or a Swiss law making it legal for them to go into Germany and kidnap the thief in order to take him back to Switzerland and throw him in jail.

Oh, and of course your views would make for a decidedly unfriendly attitude between some nations, and likely violate international law and all concepts of sovereignty. I guess diplomacy is overrated.

I also suppose you won't complain about Gitmo anymore.

CR

[HoreTore]

So I'd trust you'd have no problem with the US making it legal for CIA agents to sneak into Norway and capture alleged terrorists? Think of it as making it legal to break into terrorist havens and bring terrorists to justice.

Or a Swiss law making it legal for them to go into Germany and kidnap the thief in order to take him back to Switzerland and throw him in jail.

Oh, and of course your views would make for a decidedly unfriendly attitude between some nations, and likely violate international law and all concepts of sovereignty. I guess diplomacy is overrated.

I also suppose you won't complain about Gitmo anymore.

CR

Yes, because torture and fines are the same thing.

Oh wait.

But do I support Israel and Mossad's right to arrest and extradite former nazi's or suspected terrorists hiding in countries unwilling to arrest them? Yes. No question. Do I support them when they screw up and kill innocent people like Lillehammer or Gitmo? No. That's why I like that separation of powers thingy, I would not mind the US arresting suspected terrorists abroad IF they were given a fair trial instead of being sent to a torture camp like Gitmo(or worse) without being found guilty.

[Husar]

So, they couldn't legally pay someone to break into a Swiss Bank and steal data so the government could get money, but they can pay someone who has broken into a bank and stolen data so the government can get data? How very convenient for them.

Any English link to the news?

It's very convenient indeed and the guy hasn't broken into anything, he has access to the data as he works there, he's just selling a company secret. The kind of thing US agents steal in Germany, too, btw.
Can't find a link, I read in a newspaper at work that they had some experts check whether it's lawful.

No, the point is that Germany is buying data from a criminal that it could not otherwise legally obtain.

In short, contracting out certain aspects of law enforcement to criminals with bounties.

CR

It's not contracting out anything, the guy had already acquired the data by the time he contacted the german investigators.
The USA has a whole agency that employs criminals in other countries to get things it could not otherwise legally obtain, it's called the CIA...