Dear Mods/Admins

[Fixiwee]

If the only reason the Tavern was interesting to you was that you were allowed to engage in behavior that violated Org rules, I will consider its death is good thing.

Now you are twisting the meaning of my post to your suiting. Of course the tavern meant more to me then just violating rules. I'm not a troll, look at my list of infractions (hint: it's zero). The tavern represented something diffeerent for me, something this board does not offer.

Let's face it, every mod will be happy when it tavern is gone. Seeing the history and the problems it has cause it's hard to blame you though.
The outcry of someone who compares the admin to Hitler is idiotism par exelene. I'm not even defending the OP here.

[TinCow]

Now you are twisting the meaning of my post to your suiting. Of course the tavern meant more to me then just violating rules. I'm not a troll, look at my list of infractions (hint: it's zero). The tavern represented something diffeerent for me, something this board does not offer.

Then help me understand what we have done to make the Tavern 'boring.' As far as I can tell, the only thing we're doing is moderating it like we moderate the rest of the forums. If that alone is killing your fun, it does indeed seem like your fun was derived exclusively from being in an 'anything goes' zone.

[Fixiwee]

Then help me understand what we have done to make the Tavern 'boring.' As far as I can tell, the only thing we're doing is moderating it like we moderate the rest of the forums. If that alone is killing your fun, it does indeed seem like your fun was derived exclusively from being in an 'anything goes' zone.

I don't think you will agree to my opinion about it anyway.
"Anything goes" puts it too far. I feel restricted in what I represent because I can't say what I want to.

As far as I can tell, the only thing we're doing is moderating it like we moderate the rest of the forums.

It has been argued one too many time. But please think about it. It is true, you are just moderating. And that is the problem. You don't treat us like human beings, you delete, you ban, you kick people out of the tavern, you exclude. This is not very subtle.
And then you shouldn't wonder why certain people are angry and frustrated. You don't even try to work out the problems between the tavern and the moderation (except for Andres, whos post in the tavern was more then impressive). I wish it was more diplomacy and less "just pull the trigger".

[TinCow]

I wish it was more diplomacy and less "just pull the trigger".

I do understand this, but the Tavern also needs to realize that the Mods felt like we had tried diplomacy with your group for a very long time and were completely ignored. Nothing we did or said made any impression on the group as a whole, nor did its behavior ever change or improve until the wipe. Since the wipe, it appears that the Tavern has finally realized that we are serious and is now upset with the belief that we did not sufficiently communicate just how serious we were before the wipe. From our perspective, we made numerous efforts to get the Tavern to improve its behavior both with general statements directed at the Tavern as a group, as well as specific warning given to individual members. We feel we did our due diligence on the diplomacy side a long time ago.

We are not hard-hearted people, but the Tavern has lost our trust in its ability to manage itself in a manner that is consistent with the rules of this forum. The Tavern's choice at this point is to put in the time and effort to regain that trust, or to just let the group die. Honestly, the latter seems like pure laziness. The OP says "Man up, and grow a pair." I concur.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

It has been argued one too many time. But please think about it. It is true, you are just moderating. And that is the problem. You don't treat us like human beings, you delete, you ban, you kick people out of the tavern, you exclude. This is not very subtle.
And then you shouldn't wonder why certain people are angry and frustrated. You don't even try to work out the problems between the tavern and the moderation (except for Andres, whos post in the tavern was more then impressive). I wish it was more diplomacy and less "just pull the trigger".

Yes, because God forbid your group be treated like everyone else on the forums.

This whining is inane. Anyone who did what your group did in any other section of the forum wouldn't be coming back very quickly. That group got off lightly. The .Org has rules. Everyone else has to follow them, and your group should do so as well. They haven't, and that is why the problem came about. That's really all there is to it.