According to christian beliefs, where's Gandhi now?

[The Wizard]

And who are you to say that no particular faith is right when it comes to morality?

Someone using plain and simple logic. Any person believing in anything can be moral.

I still don't understand about whether or not someone is right, or whether or not someone makes claims that can be scientifically tested, has to do with personal traits such as arrogance.

Something that can be tested, and passes the test, can be said to be truthful. But when that's not possible, it is arrogance to proceed to claim the truth anyways (the absolute one, even).

[Rhyfelwyr]

Someone using plain and simple logic. Any person believing in anything can be moral.

You'll probably struggle to define any non-relative morality using logic, tbh.

Something that can be tested, and passes the test, can be said to be truthful. But when that's not possible, it is arrogance to proceed to claim the truth anyways (the absolute one, even).

Let's just agree to disagree, and not go over this point any further.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I am not conflating either. You are confusing my comments for commentary on the internal beliefs of Christians. In reality I am whaling on the opinions Christians like PVC hold about non-Christians, irregardless of what Christians believe or don't believe, which are outrageous. Gandhi went to Hell (or at least is not moral or righteous) because he didn't believe in a cosmic Jewish zombie. Yeah, and pigs fly.

Either you can't read or you are deliberately trolling. Nowhere have I said, "Ghandi is in Hell" nor have I said, "you have to be a Christian to be moral".

IBack to Gandhi. Stop trying to drag Christian beliefs into this. My point is merely that Gandhi can be moral without being Christian. No more, no less. PVC claimed that this was not possible. Nowhere did I mention any need on Gandhi's side of having them forgiven. I doubt he felt any need for the Christian god to forgive any percieved sins of his.

Christian beliefs are all this thread is about, HoreTore asked whether, according to Christianity, Ghandi was in hell. I said I didn't know, and then provided a number of reason why he might be in heaven or hell.

I repeated several times that penitence was the key issue, not necessarily a belief in the Christian God, or the Christ.

However, I also gave a nmber of reasons why Ghandi might not be a paragon of light, and why just because he seemed holy to some people he was not automatically a baromater for goodness or worthiness.

Now, you can either listen to what the Christians in this thread are actually telling you about their beliefs, or you can stop harrassing us; but the way you are going is pointless.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Yeah, it is true Ghandi was a racist in his early days as a lawyer in South Africa, but as someone else here remarked, who was not a racist in the old times? He was a racist in his personal letters, not a racist of action. And racism is as natural as any human feeling. People dislike anyone different from them, and any mainstream sociologist should be able to confirm this. It takes an advanced culture to rid oneself of racism.

[Myrddraal]

The problem with the new testament is that Jesus didn't write it. It's a collections of texts which report on the life of Christ and what he did and preached. So of course it will have inconsistencies.

[Aemilius Paulus]

The problem with the new testament is that Jesus didn't write it. It's a collections of texts which report on the life of Christ and what he did and preached. So of course it will have inconsistencies.

And...? Sorry, I did not grasp the point or the argument of the post . That is rather self-evident, n'est-ce pas?\

Either you can't read or you are deliberately trolling. Nowhere have I said, "Ghandi is in Hell" nor have I said, "you have to be a Christian to be moral".

All I can say is that you are one slick fella', PVC - wish I could be so

[Myrddraal]

. It wasn't really an argument against what your saying, just a statement of the way things are. There doesn't seem to be much point arguing about why Jesus didn't write the Bible himself. Perhaps I've misunderstood what you're saying. Are you saying that Jesus did not write down his message with the explicit intention of making it confusing for his followers?

[The Wizard]

Either you can't read or you are deliberately trolling. Nowhere have I said, "Ghandi is in Hell" nor have I said, "you have to be a Christian to be moral".

The former was just me making a point. The latter, however, was implied in your earlier posts.

I repeated several times that penitence was the key issue, not necessarily a belief in the Christian God, or the Christ.

Penitence to whom? Jesus? And who says you need to do penitence to be moral?

However, I also gave a nmber of reasons why Ghandi might not be a paragon of light, and why just because he seemed holy to some people he was not automatically a baromater for goodness or worthiness.

And I gave you several reasons why none of those examples apply, to which you declined to reply.

Now, you can either listen to what the Christians in this thread are actually telling you about their beliefs, or you can stop harrassing us; but the way you are going is pointless.

I am. You're the first one to actually reply.

Wasn't Gandhi firmly opposed to a republican democracy that would have offered the same rights to Muslims and Hindus? My impression was that he was no found of Muslims at all, and never planed to have them play any meaningful role in an independant India.

Edit: That is a genuine question, I'm not trying to make a point or something. I've always thought that Gandhi had a darkside to him, and that the whole Gandhi-fanboyism was stupid. I'm willing to be proved wrong.

Not as far as I know. He was an anarchist much in the same mold as Tolstoy, really. I've never heard this charge, though, so I could be wrong.