Quote Originally Posted by PBI View Post
I will never understand why people so often undervalue or dismiss the massive material benefits science has brought to society. It has spared countless millions from disease, poverty and hunger and thanks to it we are living in a golden age of technological marvels our ancestors could scarcely have dreamed of. I honestly cannot think of a more powerful force for good in all of history.
again you completely miss the point. im not saying science is bad. im not denying any materialistic profits it has gained us.

So it hasn't yet come up with a consistent theory of life, the Universe and everything so simple anyone can instantly understand it without effort? Sorry, but the cold fact is that the Universe is an enormously complicated place. Why does anyone imagine for a second that it would be easy to understand?


why do you believe it is such a complicated space? have you ever been there? have you ever seen it? do you even have the slightest of notion of what is actually going on there? no. you trust people who wrote down a lot of stuff you dont understand in a lot of books. the fact that they deny god (atleast while working) and the fact they they can be critisized and improved upon is not a reason to assume its truth. Greek philosophers could be critisized and improved upon, yet we no longer believe their truths.

there is no guarantee at all that over a 1000 years this sysyem would still be around and our truth still be believed.

Science is not some secretive cult where only the ideologically pure are granted access to the mystical secrets, anyone is free to study it; it just takes time and effort and an understanding that it will not all immediately become clear. Most people simply have more important things to do than invest years of their lives studying something they don't intend to make a career out of.
everyone was allowed to study christianity, everone was allowed to study god. yes, you had to obey certain rules and there were certain methods, but i dont see why that is so much different from science. if you would suddenly deviate from normal procedures as a surgeon i believe many people would object. ofcourse after testing and a general approval and consent that new devation could become normal procedure, but same happened within the church.

As to the idea that science has somehow "replaced" religion, I quite disagree. They exist to fulfill entirely separate roles; all science has done is to replace what was only ever a relatively minor, secondary purpose of religion: To explain the baffling range of seemingly bizarre and random natural phenomena that surround us. Does anyone imagine that religion serves no other purpose to those who believe in it?
you are partially right. but science has also (wether intended or not) had a great impact on many other things that before were the domain (wether justified or not) of religion, ethics for example.