Change?

[The Stranger]

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thats only true if people are free rational agents, which is still under question... (hehe low i know.)

No, rationality is not a requirement.

oke a free agent... which in this debate will come down to almost equal.

We've committed the worst deeds this century? Nonsense. Hitler is the worst scumbag of modern times. Genghis Khan still killed plenty more than he did. You think the Gestapo were cruel? Meet the execution methods one millennia ago, like the "spread eagle" of the vikings, where a living human is cut up in the middle of his chest, before both sides of the ribcage is broken to each side, thus resebmling an eagle spreading its wings. You think we're controlled now? Read up on Sparta, no dictatorship since has even come close to the degree of control from cradle to the grave that the spartans achieved.

i meant the 20th century. not the 21st. ofcourse there were places that had worse methods, more blunt and maybe even more painful. but nowhere ever have we seen such ruthless ideologistic orientated mass murdering, solely based on an atribute a person can't control, his (ancestral) history. Genghis may have killed more, but he wouldnt kill a man for being just chinese, and do the same to every other chinese. And yes, sparta may have been very controlled. but most people in the west (or on the globe) during that time were not under a form of centralised (or even decentralised) government that could enforce their laws everywhere and instantly. which seems to be the case now in (atleast in the west).

Zero, because building the Pyramids is a complete waste of time and human life. A greater project we actually need, the internet, was built in a few years, however.

yes it was. but again i doubt it would have been achieved if everyone would question its need for production, way of production, price of production, place of production, spread of use, rights of production etc etc etc.

[HoreTore]

yes it was. but again i doubt it would have been achieved if everyone would question its need for production, way of production, price of production, place of production, spread of use, rights of production etc etc etc.

Everyone has constantly questioned teh interwebs, from religious fundies who believe it to be satan himself to conspiracy nuts who believe it's another way for ze governmentz to extend their mind-control over us all.